Police should set up honeypots to catch these terrorists like they do with pedos, and remove them from western society.
Religious extremists are a disease on society. It’s a form of insanity that promote extreme irrational and harmful behavior.
Salwan Momika was absolutely right to be against it and warn against it. No one was hurt by the Quran burnings, and it can never be justified to harm anyone because of it. It can be argued to be distasteful though. But by that logic they should also kill everybody selling hot dogs at a hot dog stand.Extreme Islamism has no place in EU or any proper democracy.
I agree that religion extremism is trash but your comparison is as dog water. Try doing the same type of thing to a Torah or a bible; watch what happens. You cannot compare one subject to another
There are extremist for every religion and you are just nitpicking. If someone is openly instigating then they will obviously face the consequence from the zealot.
Don’t spread shitty logic like that; it’s a deterrent to a open minded logic
you are just nitpicking
No I’m not, there is a difference, Islam fosters more extremists, Islam does not condone secular government. The Bible and Torah are bad too, but there are degrees, and there’s a reason more Christian countries don’t have death penalty than for any other religion.
But mostly it’s the culture of Muslim countries that is backwards. It’s not religion alone, but the culture and religion go hand in hand.
There can be zero doubt that Islam and Muslims foster way more extremists than other religions, when just burning a book can get you killed. Even in a democratic non Muslim country, What more evidence do you need?
Again nitpicking;
You are looking at the extreme ends of Muslim / Islam countries
There are “democratic” countries that are not as extreme like Malaysia and Brunei or even Indonesia.
Edited : out Singapore; see reply below for correction.
To me it seems like you are just looking at Iran/Iraq and such when you mention that religion so it will most definitely look like that. I do agree at its current stage Islam is fostering a lot of extremist beliefs but there have been period with different leaders where things looked way progressive comparatively.
You cannot judge something that is almost immemorial from a single point of view as they all go through periods of change.
From my understanding in a world with 3 theocratic religion it has always been Judaism and Christianity vs Islam so of course you only hear and see bad and never the good when the overall big picture is messed up.
I personally am in favor of destruction of all religion but I also understand why they exist.
I am stating it again, try doing those same action in a state with a lot of Zionist believers or orthodox Christian’s and see what happens. I am not asking you to change your view but rather see it from an open prospective if you are going to try defending any religion at all.
The main religion in Singapore is Buddhism, second is no affiliation, third Christianity. And down at fourth with 15% you have Islam!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore
So you have one anecdotal example with Brunei.And I can counter with Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Somalia.
Where AFAIK all these countries have problems with for instance so called honor killings. And death penalty for insulting the false prophet.
As I mentioned it’s the culture and religion, but in extreme Islamic countries, the religion is preventing the cultures to progress.
And of course there are places that are worse than others, maybe Brunei is not so bad, I don’t know much about that country.But if you look at Muslim countries they are only the 37th most muslim country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_countryAll the bad ones have way higher ratio of Muslims.
But I’ve mentioned before, that not ALL Muslims are bad. But it remains the main force for promoting religious extremism and fanaticism. And it’s rare to see Muslims complain when other Muslims do horrendous acts, like killing for expressing your opinion by burning a book. And things that should be a complete non issue like the Mohammad drawings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
Or Salman Rushdie for writing a book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
People who were threatened on their life by fucking official MUSLIM GOVERNMENTS!! With Iran even offering a high reward for the death of Salman Rushdie.
How can you compare this to anything done in the name of Christianity today?I personally am in favor of destruction of all religion but I also understand why they exist.
That we can agree on, religion in general is detrimental to both individuals and society. And they exist because of ignorance to explain common phenomena that weren’t understood in ancient times, and still aren’t today by a very large share of the global population.
Still there are differences as to how harmful each religion is.
America has school shootings, would you deem it in the same light as Jordan which has honor killings? Both places seem to have unique problems arising from their different culture and environment.
Plenty of people were hurt by the Koran burnings!
Hundreds have been injured in riots directly caused by the these provocateurs, and completely innocent people have been killed by terrorists because of them. 1)
It has also resulted in freedom of speech restrictions, a more polarized society, and less constructive dialogue about Islam.
Wrapping the Koran in bacon and setting it on fire was never meaningful criticism of religion, it was meant to incite violence. And it did!
caused by the these provocateurs,
This is a 100% false statement, the people burning the Quran did NOT start the riots, the Muslims did.
completely innocent people have been killed by terrorists because of them.
This is complete bullshit, violence in Sweden has escalated dramatically because of Muslim dominated gangs, people that come from the middle east with little respect for the democracy that allowed them in. We see similar things in other European countries, but it’s worse in Sweden than anywhere else, and Sweden is the country that has taken the most emigrants from Islamic countries.
Why are there so many emigrants from Islamic countries? Most of them are even Muslims, but still they can’t live safely in their home country?Wrapping the Koran in bacon and setting it on fire was never meaningful criticism of religion
I agree it’s a provocation, and Muslims were stupid enough to act violently to a non violent provocation. Confirming the worst prejudices against them. Actually making the act a meaningful demonstration of how sick Islam is.
Extreme Muslims simply can’t help themselves, they feel called to “protect” Islam with violence, even when what they do is harming themselves.
But just as bad, moderate Muslims fail to condemn it, thereby silently accept the violent behavior and escalation by extreme Muslims.Why are there so many emigrants from Islamic countries? Most of them are even Muslims, but still they can’t live safely in their home country?
If you genuinely don’t know, you should abstain from having opinions until you gain a basic understanding of what is going on in the world.
The world is experiencing an unfathomable and worsening refugee crisis with 122 million people currently forced to flee their homes [1]. This is mostly due to overlapping long brutal wars. Refugees seeking shelter in the EU are mostly fleeing from Syria, Ukraine, Afganistan or Iraq. Most of these countries are majority muslim so that’s what most refugees will be.
As for why they can’t live safely in their home country, it’s because it’s a war zone, and has been for many years.
The rioters in Sweden were not “extreme muslims”. They were not particularly devout, but simply angry young men riled up by what they perceived as a racist state-sanctioned attack on their culture and heritage.
Many parties worked to escalate this issue, from far-right assholes looking to sow hate between religious groups, state actors trying to weaken Sweden internally and diplomatically, islamic countries trying to unify their people with a common enemy, as well as religious extremists seeking more influence. That’s why it gained so much attention, and generated so much outrage and violence.
