Humans benefit from society. You can’t have society if people go around destroying that society. You make rules and enforce them to stop that destruction. Thats morality in a nutshell.
This has been going on so long that it’s hard wired into most of us. For the psychopaths that don’t have that hardwire, we have places to put them. I.e. prisons and boardrooms.
Oh, so many things I can say in response. I will try to make it brief, though
Yes but so what?
So, for example, tons of people think themselves into depression and suicide because of some bullshit morals they have come to value more than anything else. I would rather have merciless killers to deal with, but not this kind of suffering going on around
You can’t have society if people go around destroying that society
Oh, but we do. Show me a country with empty prisons (preferably without prison-as-punishment laws even)
Edit: as an example of society without morals, if I remember correctly Gautama has spent some time with his disciples just hanging around. For those who do not know, buddhism does not care about morals in the common sense, and yet whenever you get a master+disciples group, that is a certain kind of society, very much capable to function
You make rules and enforce them to stop that destruction. Thats morality in a nutshell.
Which is plain declaring “I have failed”. Failed in building a sustainable society. Failed in producing people capable of living in a sensible way. Failed to even restrict those who I failed to mold into something not that kind of destructive.
I write “I” here, because in the end, if we look back in time, for every damn “moral code rule” that got spread, taught and enforced we will track that one idiot who enabled all this bullshit
This has been going on so long that it’s hard wired into most of us.
True. And because it got wired that deep we have enormous amount of suffering, because life cares not about “right” or “wrong”
For the psychopaths that don’t have that hardwire, we have places to put them. I.e. prisons and boardrooms.
Surprise: it is possible to live without any moral conditioning and still not fall into destructive behaviour. And also, we continue to revere people who have done things far from “morally right way”. (Jesus, Krishna, Gautama to name a few most recognizable names). Today every single one of them would have ended up in a prison or mental hospital, which also speaks something about what morality actually is
Yes but so what?
Humans benefit from society. You can’t have society if people go around destroying that society. You make rules and enforce them to stop that destruction. Thats morality in a nutshell.
This has been going on so long that it’s hard wired into most of us. For the psychopaths that don’t have that hardwire, we have places to put them. I.e. prisons and boardrooms.
Oh, so many things I can say in response. I will try to make it brief, though
So, for example, tons of people think themselves into depression and suicide because of some bullshit morals they have come to value more than anything else. I would rather have merciless killers to deal with, but not this kind of suffering going on around
Oh, but we do. Show me a country with empty prisons (preferably without prison-as-punishment laws even)
Edit: as an example of society without morals, if I remember correctly Gautama has spent some time with his disciples just hanging around. For those who do not know, buddhism does not care about morals in the common sense, and yet whenever you get a master+disciples group, that is a certain kind of society, very much capable to function
Which is plain declaring “I have failed”. Failed in building a sustainable society. Failed in producing people capable of living in a sensible way. Failed to even restrict those who I failed to mold into something not that kind of destructive. I write “I” here, because in the end, if we look back in time, for every damn “moral code rule” that got spread, taught and enforced we will track that one idiot who enabled all this bullshit
True. And because it got wired that deep we have enormous amount of suffering, because life cares not about “right” or “wrong”
Surprise: it is possible to live without any moral conditioning and still not fall into destructive behaviour. And also, we continue to revere people who have done things far from “morally right way”. (Jesus, Krishna, Gautama to name a few most recognizable names). Today every single one of them would have ended up in a prison or mental hospital, which also speaks something about what morality actually is