You said that I’d rather Trump win. Why should I reflect? I’m not the one still defending a party that just lost an election. Presumably, you want your party to win elections in the future, so I would say that some self reflection is due. I’m trying to point you in what I see as the right direction, but maybe your wounds are still too fresh.
You’re still here bragging about helping trump win. You’re all the same. Every single time you pretend not to understand a two party system. No one believes you. You have zero moral high ground but keep on pretending
You should reflect because it’s the correct thing to do.
What vote would have - even slightly - reduced Palestinian suffering in the short term. What would reduce it in the long term? Have new actions or moves by Israel changed what you thought months ago? Has the incoming administration signalled moves that will change the trajectory, relative to the current admin?
This article/op-ed is about the “American character” or some shit. I think it really bears considering not just the evil bad Trump voters, but that the purported alternative is just as morally bankrupt.
My point was that we should all reflect, and not just assume that we’re correct all the time.
Nowhere in my comment did I suggest we should only focus on the worst major political party in the USA, nor am I defending the idealized image people have of the states. American exceptionalism has always been terrible propaganda, and the only silver living I’ve seen from this trump era is that more people are aware of how shit most US parties are, and the depths of the myths we’ve been fed in this nation.
I’ll disagree that the other options are 100% as morally bankrupt as trump’s group of billionaires and conspiracy theorists, but if you’re talking about Democrats I’d argue they’re only nearly as morally bankrupt, so it’s far from a defense of the party. Maybe 90% as morally bankrupt? 95ish?
That’s correct in my eyes, too. I’ve done everything I can to stop the genocide, short of getting a plane ticket to go and fight, and I do all I can to donate to groups like Doctors Without Borders to improve the material conditions on the ground to the extent that it’s possible.
It’s honestly disgusting that so many people don’t even recognize it as a genocide. Again: my only point is that we all need to reflect on how to contribute, even in small ways, to improving things on the ground there. I’m not the original person you were arguing with, I just wanted to interject that self reflection is always a good thing, even if you come out thinking the same way as before. Sometimes there’s a slightly different answer though, or a better understanding of the actions of others, which helps future decisions. Nuance isn’t easy, but it’s important to actually making effective change in the world. That’s been my experience, at least. Take it for what you will!
You said that I’d rather Trump win. Why should I reflect? I’m not the one still defending a party that just lost an election. Presumably, you want your party to win elections in the future, so I would say that some self reflection is due. I’m trying to point you in what I see as the right direction, but maybe your wounds are still too fresh.
You’re still here bragging about helping trump win. You’re all the same. Every single time you pretend not to understand a two party system. No one believes you. You have zero moral high ground but keep on pretending
You should reflect because it’s the correct thing to do.
What vote would have - even slightly - reduced Palestinian suffering in the short term. What would reduce it in the long term? Have new actions or moves by Israel changed what you thought months ago? Has the incoming administration signalled moves that will change the trajectory, relative to the current admin?
These are all things we need to reflect on
This article/op-ed is about the “American character” or some shit. I think it really bears considering not just the evil bad Trump voters, but that the purported alternative is just as morally bankrupt.
My point was that we should all reflect, and not just assume that we’re correct all the time.
Nowhere in my comment did I suggest we should only focus on the worst major political party in the USA, nor am I defending the idealized image people have of the states. American exceptionalism has always been terrible propaganda, and the only silver living I’ve seen from this trump era is that more people are aware of how shit most US parties are, and the depths of the myths we’ve been fed in this nation.
I’ll disagree that the other options are 100% as morally bankrupt as trump’s group of billionaires and conspiracy theorists, but if you’re talking about Democrats I’d argue they’re only nearly as morally bankrupt, so it’s far from a defense of the party. Maybe 90% as morally bankrupt? 95ish?
It’s good advice in general, but when it comes to opposing genocide I will continue assuming I’m correct, thanks.
That’s correct in my eyes, too. I’ve done everything I can to stop the genocide, short of getting a plane ticket to go and fight, and I do all I can to donate to groups like Doctors Without Borders to improve the material conditions on the ground to the extent that it’s possible.
It’s honestly disgusting that so many people don’t even recognize it as a genocide. Again: my only point is that we all need to reflect on how to contribute, even in small ways, to improving things on the ground there. I’m not the original person you were arguing with, I just wanted to interject that self reflection is always a good thing, even if you come out thinking the same way as before. Sometimes there’s a slightly different answer though, or a better understanding of the actions of others, which helps future decisions. Nuance isn’t easy, but it’s important to actually making effective change in the world. That’s been my experience, at least. Take it for what you will!