I find Michael Moore neither smug nor obnoxious. You and others interpret Michael Moore’s messages as being smug and/or obnoxious, but there are a lot of other people who listen to his messages without animosity. This pattern is also true for Joe Rogan. I am certain that there are people who interpret his message as being smug or obnoxious.
The reality is the nature of conversation is complicated: the result relies on how information is produced by the speaker AND how it is interpreted by the listener. So the root of the problem is twofold. It’s not just that people are having a hard time speaking to those outside their circle. It is also that people are having a hard time listening to those outside their circle. The blame is not on the left or the right, it’s on both. Both exist in their own circle jerk, and neither groups are able to talk and listen to each other.
I think the fact that we all aligned once this CEO died reveals why this division is important those in power (Top 1%, billionaires, and multi-millionaires). If we did all team up, these people in power would be in trouble. Instead, we are being divided into two sides that cannot even communicate with each other. And because of that, we are being conquered by these oligarchs and we are too busy fighting each other to know what’s going on.
Yes, people that already agree with Michael Moore like him. But to anyone that doesn’t already agree with him, he’s smug and obnoxious. I agree with most of what he says, but find him grating, he’s not going to change anyone’s mind about anything.
Both exist in their own circle jerk, and neither groups are able to talk and listen to each other.
The nature of social media. People don’t talk to each other on social media. They talk at each other. People aren’t trying to change people’s minds about anything, they’re writing things to prove to people that are already on “their side” how loyal they are to a cause by insulting those who aren’t. People write their opinions under their own names and what they wrote in the past is always there because nothing on the internet can ever really be deleted. This calcifies people’s opinions. Add followers to the mix then you have your own personal audience that’s there because they like what you’ve said in the past. So there’s a strong disincentive to never change, and a strong incentive to attack those not within the group.
It takes effort to get out of this rut and actually talk to people. Social media has deluded us into thinking that it can result in a positive change, but it’s only endless arguments that accomplish nothing because nobody in the social media rut will ever change. And because people feel like they’re making positive change for dunking on the whateverists that are incompatible with mywhateverism, less happens through more productive channels of activism.
Kinda sad that it takes a murder to break people out of their respective bubbles. And I’m not optimistic about people not returning to their respective bubbles as soon as the next thing to be angry at each other over is offered up.
I find Michael Moore neither smug nor obnoxious. You and others interpret Michael Moore’s messages as being smug and/or obnoxious, but there are a lot of other people who listen to his messages without animosity. This pattern is also true for Joe Rogan. I am certain that there are people who interpret his message as being smug or obnoxious.
The reality is the nature of conversation is complicated: the result relies on how information is produced by the speaker AND how it is interpreted by the listener. So the root of the problem is twofold. It’s not just that people are having a hard time speaking to those outside their circle. It is also that people are having a hard time listening to those outside their circle. The blame is not on the left or the right, it’s on both. Both exist in their own circle jerk, and neither groups are able to talk and listen to each other.
I think the fact that we all aligned once this CEO died reveals why this division is important those in power (Top 1%, billionaires, and multi-millionaires). If we did all team up, these people in power would be in trouble. Instead, we are being divided into two sides that cannot even communicate with each other. And because of that, we are being conquered by these oligarchs and we are too busy fighting each other to know what’s going on.
Yes, people that already agree with Michael Moore like him. But to anyone that doesn’t already agree with him, he’s smug and obnoxious. I agree with most of what he says, but find him grating, he’s not going to change anyone’s mind about anything.
The nature of social media. People don’t talk to each other on social media. They talk at each other. People aren’t trying to change people’s minds about anything, they’re writing things to prove to people that are already on “their side” how loyal they are to a cause by insulting those who aren’t. People write their opinions under their own names and what they wrote in the past is always there because nothing on the internet can ever really be deleted. This calcifies people’s opinions. Add followers to the mix then you have your own personal audience that’s there because they like what you’ve said in the past. So there’s a strong disincentive to never change, and a strong incentive to attack those not within the group.
It takes effort to get out of this rut and actually talk to people. Social media has deluded us into thinking that it can result in a positive change, but it’s only endless arguments that accomplish nothing because nobody in the social media rut will ever change. And because people feel like they’re making positive change for dunking on the whateverists that are incompatible with mywhateverism, less happens through more productive channels of activism.
Kinda sad that it takes a murder to break people out of their respective bubbles. And I’m not optimistic about people not returning to their respective bubbles as soon as the next thing to be angry at each other over is offered up.
Well put in every regard.
Agreed. Many people, particularly Americans, are terrible listeners. Dunnning-Kreuged effect in play.