You know. Its interesting. Like… really interesting. And sobering.

Reading history books about the rise of the nazis and the reich, and you ask yourself, “how could they have not known what was going on?” and “how could they let these things happen?” What were they doing just standing around? Why did they let this happen?

I understand that history is written by the victors. I understand that there is so much we will never know. There is nuance and circumstance and so many things that snowball into the most terrible things.

But now… im starting to understand the feeling of powerlessness now. The inability to change the machines that are in motion. The overwhelming dread.

I could make generalizations of the people of germany in the 1930s. But it would be disingenuous. And unnecessary. It feels like they are my neighbors now in 2025. They are angry, or apathetic, or ignorant. And the machine and history does not care about them in the slightest. History will be written by the winner and we are all going to be a broad generalization of what happens next. Your experiences will be written off as a success for the new order, or as a failure. If it is written at all.

History doesnt teach you to dwell on the minutiae and routines of the common man. It doesnt teach you that, despite everything you may do or what you believe, or how much you loathe the actions of your leaders, that you have so little sway. That you are powerless and ineffective.

I feel that and understand that now.

History books in school taught us the wrong lesson i think. But i dont think that we can learn this experience from a book or documentary. If it could, we would not be repeating it now.

Truly despicable. Seeding to at least 1 to 1 is the bare minimum of courtesy and humanity. If you dont, its unethical

Weaponizing immigrant lives to hurt others is literally the signature move of the trump supporters you despise.

And you advocate for exactly that. Disgusting.

You are the same sort of person as them. You just wear a different colored hat.

My point is, if you are suffering, and watching your neighbors and friends suffer, do not wish that suffering on the people who arent your neighbors and friends just because of the consequence of proximity.

Its very human to make the easy assessment of “the other” and what they think, feel, and deserve. They are faceless and far away. Who cares? But… The OP was literally wishing ill on immigrant families to hurt their own opponent. Using immigrants as pawns to justify their opinion and position. Using people to hurt other people. Sound familiar yet?

Fuck that opinion. I will not abide.

Maybe he should give up and quit this farce completely. Instead of what you suggested.

Because what you suggested just hurts more innocent people so that you can feel smug and point and say “i told you so”.

We get it. some dumbasses voted against their communities and their own self interests. Im fighting this battle every day with so many people. But why on earth would you advocate that more people get caught up and hurt by these policies? Because they “deserve it”?

We are supposed to be better than that. We are supposed to make the world better. Not be vindictive assholes about it.

-sincerely, a farmer from a rural red run welfare county.

Its one egg, michael. What could it cost, Ten dollars?

China has been buying and stealing south africa piece by piece for decades. land, mines, politicians. Everything. This will have very negative consequences for all of sa.

They are not defending their boundaries. This is just going to feed the other beast. This just cuts off americas influence on SA, and lets china go full hog into it. This was just they were waiting for.

Yeah that remote start subscription really pissed me off. If i could confirm a way to give them even less data i would.

Honestly, i wouldnt sweat it. Ecoli in that context is much more of a risk. And wiith safe food handling, your risk is pretty low.

I used to drink raw milk on occasion too. Proximity and all that. But once we realized what we had in march of last year, that relaxed attitude went out the window.

I have not looked in depth about aging beef as a preventative measure, but given the mechanisms in action when you age beef, i would find it hard for the virus to remain intact. Looks like ive got more to research tonight. But, cooking your food properly will destroy the virus. Same as pasturization. Turns out viruses hate high temperatures.

Obviously we dont want anyone to get sick. But the normal cases that we have seen so far, the symptoms are mild. These cases have been, for the most part, from individuals that had handled infected animals or had close proximity to them. Dairy workers, poultry farmers, back yard chicken enthusiasts, etc. The more severe cases tend to be individuals with compromised immune systems or pre existing conditions.

What we want to avoid, and what has not happened so far, is the virus spreading from human to human. All cases so far are believed to be from infected animals infecting a human. This is good. Just like with covid, or any novel disease for that matter, the worst thing you can do is have a spillover event where a new virus mutates just enough to infect a new species and the infection is contagious between individuals in that population . The new bird flu has not reached that stage. It may eventually, or it may never. But for the vast majority of the population, dont touch dead birds, dont drink raw milk, dont lick bird poop off of park benches. And you will be fine.

Ah i understand. No problem.

The current vector that is infecting dairies is from infected wild bird populations. We cant stop that. Blackbirds pigeons starlings finches. Theres too much bird food around everywhere. Cow to cow transmittion from one location to another is not really a factor. Its wild birds.

My dairy has implemented extra tracking in the form of, well, its basically a fitbit for cows. And with the data we collect, we can detect sick cows when they are still subclinical. It gives us a huge heads up and improves the health of the herd because we can start supportive treatment sooner. But it is not preventative.

What we need is vaccinations. The poultry industry had vaccinations for decades for bird flu. They didnt use it. We could have a cow vaccine spun up in 6 weeks, but for some reason we couldnt get usda approval in the last year before trump. The likelihood of us getting that cow vaccine approved now… its not looking too good in my opinion.

Wash your hands. Dont drink raw milk.

All employees are provided free diposible ppe. Gloves, face masks, face shields. No one really uses them, and from what we know of the virus, the risk even for those of us who are handling animals every day, is very very low. Im not worried about catching bird flu, im worried about my cows catching it. The negative health impacts in humans is small and low. It hasnt crossed over strongly enough to cause us damage.

The farm workers that have been diagnosed with bird flu? It was conjunctivitis, aka pinkeye. Hardly something most people worry about.

But on the other hand, the cows do get sick. Fatality is nonexistant to low, except for the west coast for some reason, but the cows do run fevers and do lose milk production. Its a virus, so the best care we can support our cattle with are supportive. Push water and electrolytes, give medicine to lower fever. And wait. Same as if your kid gets the flu.

And last of all. Do. Not. Drink. Raw. Milk.

If your cat drinks h5n1 infected milk, it will develope brain swelling and die. Currently nothing happens to humans, that we know of. But If all we have to do to prevent that is pasteurization, why wouldnt we? And if a wild mutation is all it takes to get a spillover event into humans, why would we take that risk?

There is currently no study that i have seen that has even hinted at any flu virus being transmitted through meat consumption.

And biologically speaking, its not really a vector that any influenza virus would be a real threat in. The common vectors of air and saliva from breathing or coughing are where flu viruses excel.

That being said, the usda has found that cooking temps as low as 120 degrees farenheight significally inactivate the virus.

Where you should be worried is raw milk. Pasteurization was developed for a reason. The science is over a hundred years old. Before bird flu, i would occasionally run over to the dairy and fill up a jar of milk rather than go to the store. Just something for the morning cheerios when i was low on milk from the store. I will not do that now. Drinking raw milk now is like playing russian roulette with patient zero in a brand new pandemic. Do not do it. Pasteurized milk only.

Yeah you are right. Sleep deprivation is the only thing i can blame.

Your comment was noted the first time you responded. Please dont spam.

Thank you for your input. Just like last time, it be downvoted and ignored.

Have a nice day.

Eh i think it was lack of sleep and a false alarm of the ole spidey sense going off.

But yeah, for a minute there something didnt seem right. now that there are more comments, it all seems good again.

As a dairy farmer myself, im paying extreem attention to all of this. Ive been paying attention to it since we found out about it a year ago. Our response has been absolute garbage and ill be one of the first to call out our absolutely shitty response. Im on the front lines right now. We have not dealt with this problem with the seriousness and attention it deserves.

That being said, this comment chain feels wierd. Like, the discourse im seeing is setting off real red flags right now for me. Im not so sure that lemmy is as secure as i expected it to be.

Im still here and will stay here, but something doesnt feel right about our conversation in this thread right now.

Its funny. No one criticized me for owning cows. At all. The woodwork was empty. I get that there are militant assholes here, but every time i bring up my profession, things have been cordial.

We can all disagree on a lot of things, but the average vegan is not my enemy. Ive even given some tours of my facilities. Its just someone that thinks different thsn i do. Thats perfectly fine.

Good discourse and an open mind is all it takes. I eat vegan meals frequently. I also eat steaks and eggs and fish. I will never be the one to shut down sincere discourse. We all have to live in this world together. May as well learn from other perspectives.

You can say it as a joke, but Ive got dairy cows…