I can’t tell you how upsetting that is. The Musk part. Because he’s a drugged out sociopathic fascist.

“Lawmaker”

Just say republican, for god’s sake.

The logical choice was to not let trump win, to keep things moving forward and to make progress.

There are a lot of accelerationists in the crowd and they don’t appreciate how bad accelerationism makes things. It’s a shame.

Well I just want to say it’s been an interesting conversation and I appreciate the measured tone you’ve taken and your efforts to explain your position. I really do.

I think you’re right that my friends are probably in the 2nd group you outlined. I think Carter, Clinton, Obabma, (and yes, Biden) all fall into that category of working towards a two-state solution that allows everyone to live peaceably. Certainly that’s the dominant message I’ve ever recieved from the Democrats.

But as for this part: The problem is that following the Oslo Accords, the far-right recognized that momentum was slowly shifting their way, and the liberal zionists never fought it. They liked the idea of rights and justice, but they didn’t really have the stomach to advocate for the agency of Palestinians.

Wasn’t that the whole issue about Yitzhak Rabin? As per Wikipedia:

In 1992, Rabin was re-elected as prime minister on a platform embracing the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. He signed several historic agreements with the Palestinian leadership as part of the Oslo Accords. In 1994, Rabin won the Nobel Peace Prize together with long-time political rival Shimon Peres and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Rabin also signed a peace treaty with Jordan in 1994. In November 1995, he was assassinated by Yigal Amir, an extremist who opposed the terms of the Oslo Accords.

So the way I saw it, was that his assassination was a coup for the far right as represented by Bibi and the Likud is the equivalent of the MAGATs here - that is to say, utterly reprehensible people who do not represent what most people want.

But you’re making the case that in fact most people DO want what Likud is selling they just don’t have the courage to express it? If that’s the case, how do you know this? I mean is it strictly anecdotal or do you know of some other data that suggests that? I admit I’m only going by what I have heard and my assumptions from reading the news, so that’s why I’m asking.

And, more than that, that Biden somehow falls into the category of supporting a two-state solution but secretly (?) wanting to eliminate all Palestinians?

You think no one’s working on AGI because it will make money worthless?

I get it. You’re coming up in the equivalent of GHWBush and the first egregious Gulf War. Democrats are ineffective at best, incompetent and buffonish most of the time, and often jump the fence and do the exact opposite of what you want them to do sometimes. Particularly when there’s a lot of flag-waving going on.

But I’m here to tell you it’s not like that now. Back then, or even in the Gee Dubz horror years, there was no AOC or The Squad or Bernie or (well, yes there was Bernie but he got no press. That’s a whole other story.) and there sure as hell wasn’t real-time communication between actual Democrats as to what the fuck the party thinks it’s doing.

I’m saying that we’re pissing away a huge battleship, already gassed up and outfitted, because a bunch of russia-influenced twits who just put down Das Kapital and have less than zero experience with the machine that is the US Government, thinks Democrats bad.

First of all, countering propaganda doesn’t happen in one-offs. But you’re right about everything there.

And, as it happens, all of those ideas have been floated for many decades now. Unless someone gets through to literally everyone we’ll be floating them into the watershed of history and nothing will ever get better.

First time? Yeah. The russian state is . . not . . . good.

The article is by Mike Masnick, founder of Techdirt. To wit:

Jul 29, 2023Mike Masnick, who founded Techdirt in 1998, writes for an influential audience of lawmakers, C.E.O.s and activists. Somehow, he’s still an optimist about the promise of technology.

Well if he’s got the ear of influential muckety-mucks what is he telling them? Who is his Senator? Also, not to nitpick but he doesn’t actually sound optimistic.

Ooh he’s credited with coining “the Streisand effect” so that’s cool.

Fair enough - carry on!

Who, whom? Russian: кто кого?, kto kogo?; Russian pronunciation: [kto.kɐˈvo] is a Bolshevik principle or slogan which was formulated by Vladimir Lenin in 1921.

Oh. Uh, cool.

Biden, from all that I’ve read, simply shares the zionism of liberal Jews.

If that zionism is “Israel has a right to exist” then, okay I’d agree he shares that belief.

That’s what Bibi has always been. His job has always been to do the things that that liberal zionists have always wanted done but cannot bear to soil their own souls doing.

I mean, that’s where I’m not with you. If someone “wants [that] done” they’re not a liberal zionist in my opinion. (Sorry, I don’t know which definition of liberal you’re using or which one means the Jews who want to peacefully coexist and which ones want to take land and support genocide.)

If you’re telling me that all the Jewish people I know who hate what Israel is doing but want Israel to exist are secretly loving what Israel is doing, I just don’t believe that. I don’t believe that Biden is one of them.

I feel cringe about feeling “cringe”, but that’s probably just me.

basically forcing facepals and the xitter to pay for moderation.

there’s three dems and three republQans on it, and it’s not the worst idea in the world, but it’s a vain attempt to have something, anything be bipartisan which - we all know how that goes.

If hell freezes over again it’ll be gutted by amendments and ultimately need to be cleaned up by whatever billionaire pays to run the US next.

If only we could have stopped this somehow

😱

Yeah, it’s still very Florida.

That many people shouldn’t be that hot that close together, I think.

I’m sorry. In most regards, I liked and admired Biden. I don’t believe he ever meant to do evil. But he did mean to do what has happened in Gaza. And it happens to be very, very evil.

Yeah I just can’t get there based on reading tea-leaves of diplomacy over a response to 10/7 and the subsequent war crimes. I know Biden’s Catholic and there’s a strong Evangelical -> Zionist link but even that isn’t really clear because Catholics aren’t (Protestant) Evangelicals. And anyway, the second-coming-prophecies with the red calf and all that garbage are pretty out there for a guy who is more known for being a Senator (obviously in the future this will make less and less sense because of the Qanuts.)

Let’s just agree that the genocide should never be supported and go with that until we get direct evidence of how Biden was supportive of the IDFs activities. I see how it could be (mis?)construed that way, I don’t see how it is that way.

There’ll be a price to pay if they return, alright.

Damn, Pooty-poot you’re up your own ass real good there.

Florida! Long time no batshit! Ha ha, j/k of course.