Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Friday said that Islamabad has "no option left other than full a blown war" in response to what he described as India’s increasingly aggressive posture over the past four days
Did they have intel that Pakistan was actually involved in a tourist attack or is this assumption?
EDIT: to clarify, pakistan itself is not involved on the killing of tourists, but there is evidence to support that the group that did kill the tourists have complete patronage of pakistan’s army and government and are shielded by them.
the intel or its source is not shared publicly yet, though. nobody can say for sure why it hasn’t been shared yet but the conjecture is that it’s to protect a sensitive set of sources based in pakistan from retaliation.
india has put itself on the backfoot. fighting this war is like trying to wrestle with a pig–india will only muddy itself while the pig loves it. they wouldn’t put themselves in such a position unless there was compelling evidence to do so.
separately, this isn’t the first attack on indian civilians by members of groups sheltered in pakistan by all their official and legal machinery. this isn’t even the first successful such attack.
these attacks are akin to the september 11 attacks on the twin towers (in that innocent civilians are targeted by a deeply planned and coordinated attack with the sole aim to spread fear and terror). and that was reason enough for the usa to conduct an operation in pakistan’s heartland to “get” osama (who himself was sheltered by the same people in pakistan’s army and government).
Thank you. I’m trying to understand what the resistance front is. Wikipedia says separatist movement that uses no religious language but there may be governmental tires or something like that. I have a feeling this isn’t going to be a one-evening dive, but months or years.
Traditionally, resistance movements in Kashmir did not target tourists. This was because it had an implicit agreement with the business class and local Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism. So harming tourists would make you look like an extremist who doesn’t care about the locals. Additionally, the terrorist attack was condemned by Kashmiris coming out in the streets to protest for the first time in history. TRF doesn’t have widespread support among Kashmiris because of this attack and a previous killing in Reasi, of tourists as well. In both attacks, Kashmiri people lost lives as well. A famous militant, Burhan Wani had a lot of popularity in Kashmir-300,000 people attended his funeral. But he and his gang were caught, and while they had received arms from across the border, they didn’t have the sophisticated technology that these terrorists did. This particular operation was highly sophisticated and efficient, more in the pattern of trained terrorists from the attacks above listed than indigenous rebels we’ve seen in Kashmir. So it is quite likely it was a Pakistan funded proxy. LeT is called the most reliable and efficient proxy Pakistan uses against India, though they have conducted attacks in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well.
I can suggest a few books on Kashmir
Christopher Snedden - Independant Kashmir (sympathetic to the cause, but arguably that’s the moral position to take. Either way, it’s fairly objective.)
And a few on terrorism and LeT, if you’d like
In their own words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - C. Christine Fair
Storming the World Stage - the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba - Frankel Stephen
The one above goes into depth about the Pakistani government’s complicity in the activities of the group. Some of the sites detailed in this book were struck by the Indian government in the missile strike.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to type a well-thought response to educate me on a subject about which I am woefully ignorant. I’ve bookmarked your reply so I can refer back to it. I hope others will read your post and if they’re knowledgeable, add more.
the problem is that all public news articles will be sketchy this early in the game. most relevant information is still classified and not available yet.
Serious questions: India attacked Kashmir? Why? Did they have intel that Pakistan was actually involved in a tourist attack or is this assumption?
EDIT: to clarify, pakistan itself is not involved on the killing of tourists, but there is evidence to support that the group that did kill the tourists have complete patronage of pakistan’s army and government and are shielded by them.
the intel or its source is not shared publicly yet, though. nobody can say for sure why it hasn’t been shared yet but the conjecture is that it’s to protect a sensitive set of sources based in pakistan from retaliation.
india has put itself on the backfoot. fighting this war is like trying to wrestle with a pig–india will only muddy itself while the pig loves it. they wouldn’t put themselves in such a position unless there was compelling evidence to do so.
separately, this isn’t the first attack on indian civilians by members of groups sheltered in pakistan by all their official and legal machinery. this isn’t even the first successful such attack.
these attacks are akin to the september 11 attacks on the twin towers (in that innocent civilians are targeted by a deeply planned and coordinated attack with the sole aim to spread fear and terror). and that was reason enough for the usa to conduct an operation in pakistan’s heartland to “get” osama (who himself was sheltered by the same people in pakistan’s army and government).
This is a fair assessment. I am surprised. I’ve been seeing a lot of denial of Pakistan’s association with terrorism around this site.
Can you please give news sources for what you’re saying? I’m sorry, I’m just terribly uninformed on this.
additional sources for other points:
terrorist bomb blasts in mumbai 2006 BBC
terrorist attacks in mumbai 2008 PBS
terrorist attacks on india’s parliament 2001 BBC Sounds podcast (the most neutral source i could find)
osama bin laden and pakistan timeline BBC
timeline of terror attacks in india random source
Thank you. I’m trying to understand what the resistance front is. Wikipedia says separatist movement that uses no religious language but there may be governmental tires or something like that. I have a feeling this isn’t going to be a one-evening dive, but months or years.
Traditionally, resistance movements in Kashmir did not target tourists. This was because it had an implicit agreement with the business class and local Kashmiris whose bread and butter was tourism. So harming tourists would make you look like an extremist who doesn’t care about the locals. Additionally, the terrorist attack was condemned by Kashmiris coming out in the streets to protest for the first time in history. TRF doesn’t have widespread support among Kashmiris because of this attack and a previous killing in Reasi, of tourists as well. In both attacks, Kashmiri people lost lives as well. A famous militant, Burhan Wani had a lot of popularity in Kashmir-300,000 people attended his funeral. But he and his gang were caught, and while they had received arms from across the border, they didn’t have the sophisticated technology that these terrorists did. This particular operation was highly sophisticated and efficient, more in the pattern of trained terrorists from the attacks above listed than indigenous rebels we’ve seen in Kashmir. So it is quite likely it was a Pakistan funded proxy. LeT is called the most reliable and efficient proxy Pakistan uses against India, though they have conducted attacks in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well.
I can suggest a few books on Kashmir Christopher Snedden - Independant Kashmir (sympathetic to the cause, but arguably that’s the moral position to take. Either way, it’s fairly objective.) And a few on terrorism and LeT, if you’d like In their own words: Understanding Lashkar-e-Tayyaba - C. Christine Fair Storming the World Stage - the Story of Lashkar-e-Taiba - Frankel Stephen The one above goes into depth about the Pakistani government’s complicity in the activities of the group. Some of the sites detailed in this book were struck by the Indian government in the missile strike.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate you taking the time and effort to type a well-thought response to educate me on a subject about which I am woefully ignorant. I’ve bookmarked your reply so I can refer back to it. I hope others will read your post and if they’re knowledgeable, add more.
this reuters article is one.
the problem is that all public news articles will be sketchy this early in the game. most relevant information is still classified and not available yet.
I understand, and thank you.