Not being allowed to remove an app has lead about two people to switch from windows in the last 10000years.
I still dual boot for a few games and one piece of hardware that just don’t work on GNU/Linux, but I’m almost certainly never going back.
There was an ad for Tik Tok in my Start Menu after the last update. Fuck everything about that sentence.
Uhh what hardware isn't working? Is it something really niche? For some reason I like hearing about stuff like that.
I also keep a windows boot around just for updating my tomtom wirh map updates. Tried under Linux but the mydrive software just will not work. If anyone knows how to update a tomtom rider 400 under Linux, let me know.
It’s even better when you work in a corporate environment, pay more for the Enterprise or Pro version and still get ads about TikTok and Candy Crush forced onto your users! 😁
Why yes, Microsoft, I was expecting for you to forcefully install mobile games onto our computers in our network.
If your corporate environment didn't use GPO to just disable the suggestions (just like what you can do on the home edition to get rid of any and all ads), then I suggest they get someone actually knowledgeable in IT to manage their servers.
That’s not the point. No business should have to create GPOs to stop this sort of shitty behavior when they buy the edition that was specifically made for enterprise use.
You’d have a point for any business that buys the Home edition and then complains about the forced ads/apps.
Perhaps you are right, but now those two individuals can finally switch back to using Windows.
As one of them, no thank you. Windows is doing plenty of other crap and I don’t like and it turns out linux is kinda fun. Also once I finally understand what I’m doing I can set up a home server and other cool stuff.
Also I’m not european so I can’t actually switch back
When will the EU force Vim to let users out?
Hit Esc then type "q!" <- how hard was that? Don't listen to the vimxit liars
Well I guess I'm one of the 2 then
Me too
Me three…?
But they still won't be able to remove all of the baked-in spyware.
Try Ubuntu, you can uninstall the baked in spyware
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Try Debian, you can install the spyware
Tried Debian stable, kept not being able to get stuff to work because of the packages always being too old. Not advocating for Ubuntu either, but Debian? For a desktop? GTFO! I'd sooner start using emacs instead of vim.
So many things these days are flatpaks and app images. So it almost doesn’t matter.
I’m don’t know your situation but I’m sure there are reasons someone might not be able to use Debian desktop.
isn't ubuntu based on debian stable and so have even older packages?
Ubuntu has its own repos independent from Debians
A somewhat anecdotal comment here, but I've using Debian stable as a daily driver for years, both at work and at home. Haven't had any issues yet. It's so stable it's almost boring. 😀 However, this is fine since I can focus on getting stuff done instead of messing about with the distro.
I wanted to, and did manage to figure the installer out once, but damn it's user unfriendly… The os seems fine, installer was not. I had some other issues I was hoping would be fixed in Debian that weren't, so unfortunately I did not stick with it
The website is the least user friendly of all distros lol
Does debian even exist? I've never seen it… I've used a dozen flavors of "debian" Linux professionally, as well as the headwear related branches and centos… Most recently I've gotten into nixos (I tried a half dozen distros, none of the "Nvidia friendly" distros would work with my graphics card outside safe mode, even after debugging and official docs listing it as compatible with Ubuntu… Five lines in the nix config, will nix again)
All this time, I've seen countless mentions of this mythical debian… at this point I'm pretty sure it's just a meme, like Australia. I get Australia, someone mispronounced Austria and made up this wild story of a land full of deer who hop on two legs and kickbox (hilarious), but I don't get the joke with debian. Is it just supposed to be the mythical Linux that works on any hardware configuration?
Moving to an entirely different operating system is a big step just to… end up with closed, proprietary software and spyware again.
You can try linux mint debian edition
If you switch why not go alway? Try Linux from scratch or Arch/Debian, Ubuntu is only a few steps behind MS in term of spyware
If it really was that much spyware, the EU would already have created laws to do something about it.
More likely is that it really isn't spyware as much as it is basic unanimous telemetry, which you can disable in the settings.
Time for Ubuntu to ship with a mandatory Edge installation
Don’t give them any ideas
meanwhile, me on Arch:
yay -S microsoft-edge-stable-binYeah, as if Arch was not bleeding edge enough.
Godspede to the madlad who needed that to exist
Lets be honest, people don't switch to Linux because it's better, we switch because of the cute pinguin mascot !
And because it's free in many ways.
Or Chameleon if in EU.
It's OpenSUSE.
Or Larry the Cow.
Don't forget the cute blue upercase A.
Never heard of anything like that. The chameleon it is.
Femboy A :3
Who gives a shit what other people use?
Too many Linux users do, unfortinuately.
Windows is made by a company that would make this change in some countries but not all countries. We are not free until we are all free. Some operating systems guarantee that. Others do not.
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I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.
That said, it is quite telling that Microsoft apparently finds it more advantageous to have two divergent feature sets than to apply the change universally.
I get where you are coming from. FWIW I'm being a jackass for the hell of it rather than trying to start a flame war. But if someone is to get upset about it, perhaps its something for them to reflect on later.
Idk, the whole "Megacorp is forced to do reasonable thing, but will still only do so in regions where the law applies" should further encourage people to move away from all their crap.
Don't worry, there's still plenty of reasons Windows sucks and they'll only make it worse.
Shouldn’t the same be applied to MacOS? There are a myriad of stupid apps impossible to uninstall. Maybe even safari
While you can’t uninstall Safari, it doesn’t constantly discourage you to use other browsers like Edge does. Nor does Mac OS prevents you from installing competing apps.
The bigger problem is iOS, but the EU already took care of that and we’ll be able to sideload apps on iOS pretty soon.
Does Mac prohibit other browser engines like they do on iOS?
Doesn't do a lot of good, that they let you use other browsers if they are just reskins for Safari.
They do not.
MacOS is actually far more open to low level system UI tweaks and app support than windows.
I remember Mac os ignoring my default browser choice many times and instead launching a web page in safari.
True, I forgot that part. Thanks! Still, it comes as weird for me to have software (zero tied to OS functions ) I cannot remove
Mac literally doesn't allow any other browser engine. They only allow webkit.
So your options are:
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Safari
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Safari with Chrome aesthetics
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Safari with Firefox aesthetics
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Safari with [insert browser here] aesthetics
No, you're confusing MacOS with iOS. Mac allows whatever you want. Each browser has its own rendering engine. iOS is the one that only allows (for the moment) Webkit. But that's going to change (at least in Europe). Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_browser_engines#Support
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Like what ?
Older MacOS versions had stuff like the chess game preinstalled for no reason, though I don't know how current versions look like.
I also don't know how easy it is to remove preinstalled apps nowadays. Back in the day, you could disable System Integrity Protection, remove whatever you want, and re-enable Protection afterwards.
The odd thing is that some of them are uninstallable on iOS/iPadOS…
It's going to be one of those things where someone is either going to switch to Linux or they're not. Most people will take convenience over privacy.
Honestly, Windows isn't even that much more convenient. It's just what people are used to.
Now that I'm used to Linux Windows makes me pull my hair out.
Even just creating a functioning bootable usb stick with windows is a pain. Why are those stupid windows iso so damn picky?
Exactly
Funny. For me switching to Linux was actually a convenience and aesthetics over privacy ngl.
Since when does microsoft windows have good privacy?
You misread OP's comment
Oh, you're right. I'm seeing now they were referring to the short term inconvenience of installing an OS, and not comparing windows and linux distros.
It's a little naive to think that this was an incentive to use Linux for ppl in the first place.
"Oh man, I'd love to use Linux because then I wouldn't have to have Edge installed!" - Nobody. Ever.
People use Windows because it comes with the PC and it runs all their shit (maybe except some yellowing-beige and blue scanner from 1997) with no fucking about needed. They were never incentivised to use Linux. They don't know what an OS is, and more importantly, they don't care.
Also most software is written for that default os and if they ran into most of the common issues linux users do theyd throw it in the bin.
As someone who has has tried repeatedly for more than ten years to use Linux, Linux is already doing a good enough job at that without their help.
skill issues
Just try fedora, its easy
I've been a software engineer for many years so trust me when I say this has nothing to do with how hard or easy it is to install. I used to run Gentoo at some point so I'm not exactly CLI averse. The problem isn't the installation, it's maintenance. Shit just keeps on breaking for no reason and I'm tired of figuring out how to fix it.
Linux is simply an enormous timesink. It constantly needs handholding and babysitting in order to work. And it doesn't even reward you for it with a superior user experience, just a steady stream of problems to fix. Windows might not be perfect, but it at least it works. Meanwhile, Linux is like an insecure girlfriend, it constantly needs reassurance that you still love it.
Linux needs constant babysitting? Hmm I wonder why the majority of the internet servers is Linux not Windows. Even in critical infrastructure where stability is valued, not cost.
However you can't choose a bad distro (bad for your needs that is) ans expect a flawless experience. When I read your first sentence I expected you to be a video editor or in a field where the industry standard software is only limited to Windows. But if your a developer it's 100% your fault. I am running Linux for over a decade with zero problems. Only time when I had a problem, I was running Arch (btw) and updating the system blindly, daily.
You aren't dynamically changing configs, libraries and programs on a production server like you are on a user facing system. That the killer. Linux servers are only stable when you leave them alone.
Updates to servers are generally done by beta testing them on identical hardware in the lab and when you have a functioning image you send that to production. To expect that kind of treatment on a user facing system when you say update the web browser would be beyond unacceptable.
As long as GNU/Linux systems continue to have ABI compatibility issues and general buggy issues between updates, it will never be considered a decent user facing system.
Also the quality of code for CLI programs is far more roadtested than GUI related code since there are major corporate efforts to make Linux servers more stable. Since GUI systems aren't needed for servers they don't get the same level of attention. That attention comes from the KDE and gnome foundations which don't have nearly the same kind of money.
There's a reason people are celebrating Valve contributing to KDE and related GUI projects as there's finally some real money being thrown at the problem with real results.
Those servers aren't being changed almost ever outside of required updates, a user workstation is much more volatile in regular everyday use.
You sound like you have hobbyist level IT knowledge.
You sound like you have hobbyist level IT nowledge.
Then I should be grateful that my employer is paying me despite my hobbyist level knowledge.
Whatever your employer pays, they are overpaying you.
I have had zero problems with Linux so I lack knowledge and am overpaid? You have problems therefore you are paid fairly? Hmm sounds very logical. Any critical infrastructure project would be lucky to have you.
Furthermore, you have told another commentor in this same thread that they reek of incompetence because they have a 7 hour Windows install, yet I am being overpaid because I don't have any problems in Linux? So a competent developer should breeze through Windows but should struggle in Linux? Is that it? Kinda contradictory don't you think?
Oh yes, Linux is great for servers, not doubt, but on the desktop, not so much. Unless all you do is administering Linux servers, I guess.
The year of Linux cancelled. /s
The year of the DESKTOP Linux. Linux has already won everywhere else.
I disagree with the premise, but even if it's true that people stay with Windows because it sucks less, that's still a success story for Linux. External comparative pressure leading to more end user freedom. Think of where it could go next!
The overlap of people that will not remove the initial bloat (even if it's a button displayed prominently on first start) and people inclined to use Linux in the first place is not that great.
