I agree with the sentiment, but I’m starting to wonder if putting this comment in every goddamn thread hasn’t become a tactic to attempt to fracture the left more than it already is.
I think it’s time to stop with this comment. It does more harm than good.
I commented directly to them, but just FYI, plenty of actual leftists did vote Harris. It was a whole thing. All this comment does is to demonstrate that this person does not engage with leftism IRL and Lemmy comments are their only window into actual activism.
It definitely does more harm than good, but not because it shames leftists that didn’t vote, it’s because it upsets people that did. Everyone I know voted Harris, just like they voted Clinton and they’re still being blamed for the loss. They are actual activists, so they’ll probably continue to vote out of harm reduction no matter what vitriol libs wanna spit, but it’s gross to see libs act like leftists (the ones actually on the ground fighting for the rights currently being taken), are the reason the election was lost. It was the Democratic Party and anyone blaming leftists and not the campaign (aka people who TOOK PEOPLES MONEY TO WIN) whose job it was to win, shows exactly the kind of person and #ally they are.
This will probably be the only thing that gets any response, and I know I don’t have to say it, but for transparency and solidarity:
I legitimately have no hate towards leftists who didn’t vote. I disagree with them, but they made a decision based on values I generally agree with. We all have to live with the decisions we make and they made theirs. I do not personally know any. I know plenty of people who would not have voted if it was 70% Harris, and I would have been fine with that. I think a lot of people who didn’t vote probably didn’t think it would end up like this and would take it back if they could, but they had love in their hearts and couldn’t vote for someone actively murdering their family. It’s hard for me to want to mock them. I’m pro mocking Rs because they are full of hate for others, but I don’t know how anyone can be happy pointing and laughing at a Palestinian American who couldn’t stomach voting for someone responsible for the death of their family and friends and homeland. It’s not their job to make the Democratic Party viable. It’s the democrats job. They failed and now we all suffer. I don’t blame a single leftist nonvoter, of which there were absolutely not enough to do anything substantial regarding outcome.
but just FYI, plenty of actual leftists did vote Harris. It was a whole thing.
Right, like me. Like I said, I agreed with their sentiment (what you just posted? Not so much).
If you look at my comment history from February, you’ll see just how much I agree… I just think at this point it does more harm than good to harp on it, despite being completely true.
Not really sure what the sentiment is? That you should shame a small minority of people who you generally agree with whose decision did nothing to actually sway an election? You think that the Harris campaign was good and did what it should have to engage its base and draw in support? Do you believe that the non voting leftists were actually a large enough percentage to have an impact?
I scrolled a bit through your history and it took quite a bit to load far back (which is great, glad you’re engaging cuz Lemmy needs more comments/community) but I’ll take your word that you agree with them and said so previously. At least I can agree that harping on it does little actual good.
I wish putting this comment in every goddamn thread was not necessary. But when we had waves of idiots shitting on Harris because of (doesn’t matter now, obvs) this - this where we are, where we’re going to be every fucking goddamned DAY - is why I said don’t do this, and they all farted and laughed and said I was bougie and transphobic and all sorts of bullshit.
Y’know how far away the midterms are? Well, get ready because we’re going to do it again apparently.
Howabout all the lefties who want to soliliquize the corrupt unsalvagable horror that is America and it’s evil fascist citizenry just agree to fucking vote next time? You want to go Stein, sure, whatever, do it. Just fucking vote and don’t give us that garbage about a corrupt system means it doesn’t matter. YES, IT IS CORRUPT, well done Sherlocks ya fucking nailed it NOW GO FIX IT.
But everyone who is in that group has already heard it a million times. If that wasn’t enough to get through to them, then continuing to harp on it like this won’t either.
That, like trump, is everyone’s loss then I guess.
Just because they’ve gone quiet doesn’t mean they’re not going to start showing up or banging on about it in 17 months (assuming everyone makes it that far).
They had an open floor with that shit for some reason - some communities were forbidden from calling them russian trolls, although that is a relevant and plausible possibility.
I want no excuse. This will not stand, man. Look at this nation on fire. That’s why.
Don’t vote? STFU or explain why you’re not voting (as it happened, some were not American which - ok? Why are they in the heat of a thread about US elections weighing in on whether or not people should vote?) . Some were former felons which - absolutely understandable and also bullshit that they’re not allowed to vote.
Most, imo, were like a lot of us at some point - 18-22, newly independent and having everything figured out and wanted to sit by and watch the normies tussle over some bullshit about voting, but with a fun, kicky socialist/communist/other “twist”. Others, just straight up tankie trolls.
Where are they anyway? I’ve thought about scrolling back but it’s too many pages in my app so I don’t remember who was talking that shit. Where’s the mea culpas? Where’s the next time I’m getting everyone to vote-s? They still buy that shit?
They haven’t all gone quiet though, and you’re right, they still buy that shit. And it’s fucking infuriating trying to get through to them… I just don’t think the whole, “good thing we saved Palestine!” thing is in any way constructive.
It made sense for maybe a month or two when we were all justifiably pissed and attempting to get them to understand and admit their mistake.
But now, based on the reactions I generally see to comments like that, it seems to just entrench them more.
Wow. How? Why? What misfiring region of the hippocampus can cause someone to think they helped by allowing this fascist to help destroy Palestine even more?
I agree with the sentiment, but I’m starting to wonder if putting this comment in every goddamn thread hasn’t become a tactic to attempt to fracture the left more than it already is.
I think it’s time to stop with this comment. It does more harm than good.
I commented directly to them, but just FYI, plenty of actual leftists did vote Harris. It was a whole thing. All this comment does is to demonstrate that this person does not engage with leftism IRL and Lemmy comments are their only window into actual activism.
It definitely does more harm than good, but not because it shames leftists that didn’t vote, it’s because it upsets people that did. Everyone I know voted Harris, just like they voted Clinton and they’re still being blamed for the loss. They are actual activists, so they’ll probably continue to vote out of harm reduction no matter what vitriol libs wanna spit, but it’s gross to see libs act like leftists (the ones actually on the ground fighting for the rights currently being taken), are the reason the election was lost. It was the Democratic Party and anyone blaming leftists and not the campaign (aka people who TOOK PEOPLES MONEY TO WIN) whose job it was to win, shows exactly the kind of person and #ally they are.
This will probably be the only thing that gets any response, and I know I don’t have to say it, but for transparency and solidarity: I legitimately have no hate towards leftists who didn’t vote. I disagree with them, but they made a decision based on values I generally agree with. We all have to live with the decisions we make and they made theirs. I do not personally know any. I know plenty of people who would not have voted if it was 70% Harris, and I would have been fine with that. I think a lot of people who didn’t vote probably didn’t think it would end up like this and would take it back if they could, but they had love in their hearts and couldn’t vote for someone actively murdering their family. It’s hard for me to want to mock them. I’m pro mocking Rs because they are full of hate for others, but I don’t know how anyone can be happy pointing and laughing at a Palestinian American who couldn’t stomach voting for someone responsible for the death of their family and friends and homeland. It’s not their job to make the Democratic Party viable. It’s the democrats job. They failed and now we all suffer. I don’t blame a single leftist nonvoter, of which there were absolutely not enough to do anything substantial regarding outcome.
Right, like me. Like I said, I agreed with their sentiment (what you just posted? Not so much).
If you look at my comment history from February, you’ll see just how much I agree… I just think at this point it does more harm than good to harp on it, despite being completely true.
Not really sure what the sentiment is? That you should shame a small minority of people who you generally agree with whose decision did nothing to actually sway an election? You think that the Harris campaign was good and did what it should have to engage its base and draw in support? Do you believe that the non voting leftists were actually a large enough percentage to have an impact?
I scrolled a bit through your history and it took quite a bit to load far back (which is great, glad you’re engaging cuz Lemmy needs more comments/community) but I’ll take your word that you agree with them and said so previously. At least I can agree that harping on it does little actual good.
I wish putting this comment in every goddamn thread was not necessary. But when we had waves of idiots shitting on Harris because of (doesn’t matter now, obvs) this - this where we are, where we’re going to be every fucking goddamned DAY - is why I said don’t do this, and they all farted and laughed and said I was bougie and transphobic and all sorts of bullshit.
Y’know how far away the midterms are? Well, get ready because we’re going to do it again apparently.
Howabout all the lefties who want to soliliquize the corrupt unsalvagable horror that is America and it’s evil fascist citizenry just agree to fucking vote next time? You want to go Stein, sure, whatever, do it. Just fucking vote and don’t give us that garbage about a corrupt system means it doesn’t matter. YES, IT IS CORRUPT, well done Sherlocks ya fucking nailed it NOW GO FIX IT.
I know, I was there. I hate it so much.
But everyone who is in that group has already heard it a million times. If that wasn’t enough to get through to them, then continuing to harp on it like this won’t either.
That, like trump, is everyone’s loss then I guess.
Just because they’ve gone quiet doesn’t mean they’re not going to start showing up or banging on about it in 17 months (assuming everyone makes it that far).
They had an open floor with that shit for some reason - some communities were forbidden from calling them russian trolls, although that is a relevant and plausible possibility.
I want no excuse. This will not stand, man. Look at this nation on fire. That’s why.
Don’t vote? STFU or explain why you’re not voting (as it happened, some were not American which - ok? Why are they in the heat of a thread about US elections weighing in on whether or not people should vote?) . Some were former felons which - absolutely understandable and also bullshit that they’re not allowed to vote.
Most, imo, were like a lot of us at some point - 18-22, newly independent and having everything figured out and wanted to sit by and watch the normies tussle over some bullshit about voting, but with a fun, kicky socialist/communist/other “twist”. Others, just straight up tankie trolls.
Where are they anyway? I’ve thought about scrolling back but it’s too many pages in my app so I don’t remember who was talking that shit. Where’s the mea culpas? Where’s the next time I’m getting everyone to vote-s? They still buy that shit?
They haven’t all gone quiet though, and you’re right, they still buy that shit. And it’s fucking infuriating trying to get through to them… I just don’t think the whole, “good thing we saved Palestine!” thing is in any way constructive.
It made sense for maybe a month or two when we were all justifiably pissed and attempting to get them to understand and admit their mistake.
But now, based on the reactions I generally see to comments like that, it seems to just entrench them more.
Wow. How? Why? What misfiring region of the hippocampus can cause someone to think they helped by allowing this fascist to help destroy Palestine even more?
Ones with a specific type of brain rot that includes accelerationism