Lol, I was banned because i said, “If I was inclined, I wouldn’t get gender affirming operations, because at this point the medical technology is barely even cosmetically complete, let alone generally functional.” And that was enough, even though I’m not a transphobe and think people should be able to make any choice that doesnt directly or indirectly harm or deficet others.
Well yeah. It’s openly critical of the sexual function of people who have had those proceedures. The trans community as a whole are often depicted as mutilated and less functional by transphobes or people who want to devalue them as valid romantic options. Since access to those medical services are actively under fire that critique isn’t value neutral and it isn’t in the context of what unaltered sexual function is like for people with dysphoria whom often register a marked improvement in overall function from getting over the mental blocks.
The people I know who have had surgeries have been quite happy with the outcome. While it’s true the surgery options regarding bottom surgery for trans men require one to make some decisions about what functions to focus on, framing them as ugly and “barely functional” is insulting. Think about what it would be like to hear someone else critique the choices you’ve made that have improved your life experiences in a way that frames you as deficient and devalued.
Edit : During this comment chain this guy has self identified as a cis man - so to summerize, this is a random guy saying a set of surgeries and care plan created to address body issues he does not experience is not something he would choose because they are subpar. Yup. Real valid opinion right there. Totally not a smokescreen for anything nasty. /s
And in your second paragraph, see how you had to add ugly to my statement to make it malicious and false, that is you projecting onto me, not me
Ah so “barely even cosmetically complete” doesn’t register as you calling them aesthetically displeasing? Fuck off.
The framing as it being a personal choice not to pursue those options are the thinnest veneer of setting yourself up for this reaction to be shocked and appalled that someone would call you out. Even if you were trans yourself framing it the way you did before would register as you being an ass to other people in your community.
People who undergo affirmation surgery are told all those facts before hand. This person doesn’t know the process.
I have a trans Best friend and asked if they just wanted to live as a gay man BECAUSE of the above facts. Thier response was " I want to live as a woman." Living a certain way is more important to some then others.
Call me a troll if you want, I think you’re a narcissistic, attention seeking philistine if we’re calling eachother names.
My framing is how I feel about the situation, I don’t care if it offends, they are thoughts and opinions. If you don’t like it, no one’s making you respond to me, there are plenty of echo chambers that I’m sure you won’t have to deal with any ideas or opinions that arent what you already think.
Go try and police someone elses opinions, because you’ve failed here.
Ah yes, “just stating your opinions” “echo chambers” and the calls that you are being oppressed and policed, that I am both a narcissist and a weak little trans weenie who needs to shut themselves away where I can’t hear your big strong ideas.
It’s the full right wing bingo card. Do you lot ever get tired of clutching those pearls?
Don’t answer I know you will die with those things in a death grip.
His modlog history also has some lovely 2016 anti-SJW flavour right wing troll cringe in it about cultural appropriation and “”“reverse racism”“”, too. Truly a sad person who showed up here with an agenda, try not to let the lowest common denominator here drag down your day, he’s so not worth it.
I think arguing about medical techniques is boring, so let’s talk about empathy. You said you wouldn’t get the surgery if you were so inclined. I don’t think you’ve bothered to understand what being so inclined means. I don’t think you’ve considered being so triggered by a part of your body that you’d rather die than keep it. That’s what the situation is for a lot of trans people. I don’t think you’ve thought about that. I think you’ve imagined transition as a nice-to-have, instead of lifesaving medical care. You should do more to understand the feelings of trans people who seek surgery.
None of your business, frankly. Those are our genitals and we’re human beings not medical curiosities.
Asking us to defend publicly that our genitals are “good enough” by deep diving into the details of how a very complex and advanced surgery is done is utterly dehumanizing behavior. Anyway, I’ve literally never had a man say he felt there was something off with my genitalia and that’s including men who I never disclosed to & later asked me about pregnancy risks (implying they still believed I was cis). So this person is utterly misinformed and frankly speaking out of his ass.
Don’t ask again. Be kind and respect people’s privacy when the topic is about their genitalia. Thanks.
What do you think my argument here is, I’ve already stated I think people should do what they want with themselves.
Why are you so insistent that I, what you would call a cisgendered man, change my opinion on what I would do if I were to transition.
Why are you allowed to have any thought or whim you want without disregard for how it might affect me or others, but I have to act as some kind of unilateral compassionate force for every disadvantaged soul on the planet or I’m automatically a “troll”.
I can tell you now your own obnoxious behaviour is part of what generates negative views of the transgender community.
You want people to live and let live, try some of your own medicine, you troglodytic accolyte of unreason.
Lol, I was banned because i said, “If I was inclined, I wouldn’t get gender affirming operations, because at this point the medical technology is barely even cosmetically complete, let alone generally functional.” And that was enough, even though I’m not a transphobe and think people should be able to make any choice that doesnt directly or indirectly harm or deficet others.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve heard so far to get banned for.
It was “critical of the trans community” apparently.
Well yeah. It’s openly critical of the sexual function of people who have had those proceedures. The trans community as a whole are often depicted as mutilated and less functional by transphobes or people who want to devalue them as valid romantic options. Since access to those medical services are actively under fire that critique isn’t value neutral and it isn’t in the context of what unaltered sexual function is like for people with dysphoria whom often register a marked improvement in overall function from getting over the mental blocks.
The people I know who have had surgeries have been quite happy with the outcome. While it’s true the surgery options regarding bottom surgery for trans men require one to make some decisions about what functions to focus on, framing them as ugly and “barely functional” is insulting. Think about what it would be like to hear someone else critique the choices you’ve made that have improved your life experiences in a way that frames you as deficient and devalued.
Edit : During this comment chain this guy has self identified as a cis man - so to summerize, this is a random guy saying a set of surgeries and care plan created to address body issues he does not experience is not something he would choose because they are subpar. Yup. Real valid opinion right there. Totally not a smokescreen for anything nasty. /s
Please don’t fall for this dreck.
So I’m not allowed to say I wouldn’t undergo current treatments because I don’t think its progressed far enough?
And in your second paragraph, see how you had to add ugly to my statement to make it malicious and false, that is you projecting onto me, not me.
I see your whole comment as a projection of what your thoughts and internalisations are of the current state of medical transition, concious or not.
Ah so “barely even cosmetically complete” doesn’t register as you calling them aesthetically displeasing? Fuck off.
The framing as it being a personal choice not to pursue those options are the thinnest veneer of setting yourself up for this reaction to be shocked and appalled that someone would call you out. Even if you were trans yourself framing it the way you did before would register as you being an ass to other people in your community.
Troll behavior.
He is a good disingenuous troll.
People who undergo affirmation surgery are told all those facts before hand. This person doesn’t know the process.
I have a trans Best friend and asked if they just wanted to live as a gay man BECAUSE of the above facts. Thier response was " I want to live as a woman." Living a certain way is more important to some then others.
Call me a troll if you want, I think you’re a narcissistic, attention seeking philistine if we’re calling eachother names.
My framing is how I feel about the situation, I don’t care if it offends, they are thoughts and opinions. If you don’t like it, no one’s making you respond to me, there are plenty of echo chambers that I’m sure you won’t have to deal with any ideas or opinions that arent what you already think.
Go try and police someone elses opinions, because you’ve failed here.
Ah yes, “just stating your opinions” “echo chambers” and the calls that you are being oppressed and policed, that I am both a narcissist and a weak little trans weenie who needs to shut themselves away where I can’t hear your big strong ideas.
It’s the full right wing bingo card. Do you lot ever get tired of clutching those pearls?
Don’t answer I know you will die with those things in a death grip.
I pity you.
His modlog history also has some lovely 2016 anti-SJW flavour right wing troll cringe in it about cultural appropriation and “”“reverse racism”“”, too. Truly a sad person who showed up here with an agenda, try not to let the lowest common denominator here drag down your day, he’s so not worth it.
Well, your comment was medically inaccurate and lacking in empathy.
I dont believe either of those claims to be true, how would you support them?
I think arguing about medical techniques is boring, so let’s talk about empathy. You said you wouldn’t get the surgery if you were so inclined. I don’t think you’ve bothered to understand what being so inclined means. I don’t think you’ve considered being so triggered by a part of your body that you’d rather die than keep it. That’s what the situation is for a lot of trans people. I don’t think you’ve thought about that. I think you’ve imagined transition as a nice-to-have, instead of lifesaving medical care. You should do more to understand the feelings of trans people who seek surgery.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/
The regret rate is 1%. In the context of major surgery, that’s a miracle. You don’t get that for hip replacements or heart transplants.
But I wanted to talk about medical techniques… :(
None of your business, frankly. Those are our genitals and we’re human beings not medical curiosities.
Asking us to defend publicly that our genitals are “good enough” by deep diving into the details of how a very complex and advanced surgery is done is utterly dehumanizing behavior. Anyway, I’ve literally never had a man say he felt there was something off with my genitalia and that’s including men who I never disclosed to & later asked me about pregnancy risks (implying they still believed I was cis). So this person is utterly misinformed and frankly speaking out of his ass.
Don’t ask again. Be kind and respect people’s privacy when the topic is about their genitalia. Thanks.
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What do you think my argument here is, I’ve already stated I think people should do what they want with themselves.
Why are you so insistent that I, what you would call a cisgendered man, change my opinion on what I would do if I were to transition.
Why are you allowed to have any thought or whim you want without disregard for how it might affect me or others, but I have to act as some kind of unilateral compassionate force for every disadvantaged soul on the planet or I’m automatically a “troll”.
I can tell you now your own obnoxious behaviour is part of what generates negative views of the transgender community.
You want people to live and let live, try some of your own medicine, you troglodytic accolyte of unreason.
Maybe if you don’t want to be judged for your views on trans people’s feelings, you could not tell everyone what you think trans people feel.
This is more of the projecting I’m talking about. My opinion was about MY feelings. Fuck you’re annoying dumb.
If I were a cis guy, I wouldn’t start online arguments about how I think I’d feel if I were trans
Why not?