Anyone else. Throw Bernie’s half animated corpse up there as the candidate. Congrats he would’ve won. Because he wasnt a cop trying to get elected to the anticop party, nor far right economically trying to get elected to the center right party.
The fact you’re reduced her to a cop is showing you’re headfirst in the koolaid
She was literally responsible for police reform. You know, shit like making them wear body cams and undergo training to recognise bias, as well as community programs to get people back into the community as opposed to branded criminals for life. You know, the shit you want to happen. And all that for one state - one of your most progressive.
She’d even proudly declared herself California’s “top cop” in 2016 —two years after the Ferguson protests. Marcotte has things backward. In a climate where Democrats still felt they had to pander to the law-and-order crowd, “Kamala is a cop” was the nuance.
These legitimate critiques, not trolls hiding behind computer screens, gave the “Kamala is a cop” meme its power. Black Americans, who have wildly disproportionate contact with police and prisons, had cause to be wary of a presidential candidate, even a Black woman, who not only made her bones in the criminal justice system but adduced her work there to the case for her presidency. On Black Twitter, the meme was a reminder, not an explanation. Early on, Harris struggled to attract Black voters. Some were concerned about her electability, while others were truly mistrustful of her record and her promise to be the “progressive prosecutor” candidate.
At 00:32:19 her speech begins, which has (via the transcript):
ELECTED FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR TO BE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN STATE OF CALIFORNIA IN 2003. [APPLAUSE] AND I NOW STAND BEFORE YOU AS THE TOP COP OF THE BIGGEST STATE IN THE COUNTRY, NO OFFENSE ERIC SCHNEIDERMAN. [LAUGHTER]
Bernie’s name wasn’t on my ballot so he couldn’t have been a viable opponent. The only person on the ballot with any chance of beating Trump was Harris.
Bear in mind, I think the Dems could have run a much a stronger ticket with someone other than Harris but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the only viable competition in the election that actually happened.
Cool, you know you can write in the candidate, right?
In any case if dems wanted to be elected, they could try not being republican. Even in the face of fascism no self respecting person would vote for a republican.
Are we just going to do the same thing in 2028, with, using your word, a nonviable candidate?
Probably. If we’re still doing elections that is.
You all seem to think I’m saying that Harris was a good candidate. My only point is that she was the ONLY other option we had on the ballot. That, in and of itself, is a massive problem.
The problem was she wasn’t a choice for a lot of people. That’s something you guys have consistently failed to understand.
For people that actually suffered under the Obama or Biden regime, Harris did not represent a greater future than Trump. If you are given a choice of either shooting yourself, being shit, or ignoring the entire thing while trying to to find a way to survive being shot; most people will choose the latter option, which is simply not voting.
Homelessness hit a record high under Biden, and only climbed throughout his term. Credit card debt soared, yet consumer spending on nonessentials went down. People aren’t worried about the status quo or the collapse of the US, people were worried about tomorrow.
When you have that situation, they don’t give a fuck about a status quo candidate lying to their face about how great the economy is and how much nothing different they’ll be doing.
Their choice was not Harris or trump, their choice was vote or not vote. And given their experience during Biden’s term, they chose to not vote.
Bernie is too old, didn’t want to run. AOC was too young until less than a month before the general election, didn’t want to run. Andrew Yang is actually kind of a weirdo in the bad take a look closer (check out the description of his Forward Party).
Or Pelosi and co can just tell literally anyone “Hey, our polls have Biden at 5% chance, and Kamala couldn’t even win her own state in the primary. Your policies poll better than anyone else in congress, if you don’t run, Trump will win.”
But it would have been easier just to tell Kamala “Hey, these are the policies that will give you the best turnout, free healthcare, free college, rent control/lower housing costs, tax cuts for the workers, increased taxes on billionaires.” and tell Biden “Here’s a stack of executive orders, they directly improve the conditions of the people we need to vote for us. The SCOTUS will complain, laugh at them. Also stop sending weapons to Israel you fucking monster”
People don’t vote on policies. Do you think Trump won because everyone loved his concepts of a plan?
People vote on vibes. Right wingers vote on the vibes of how much they can own liberals and the left. Liberals vote to protect themselves from the right. Leftists vote… just kidding leftists don’t vote, they let everyone know how pure and clean their hands are and how voting doesn’t work anyway, and then wonder why they don’t get representation.
You only believe that because the democrats almost exclusively run on the most compromised versions of policies that 9/10 people assume won’t help them. Look at social democracies, and how touching people’s healthcare is so toxic even conservatives run on bolstering healthcare. Obama won by a huge margin in 2008 because people thought they’d get free healthcare. Then they got means-tested subsidies for health insurance through an employer they could buy on a marketplace.
Voters understand “You will go to a doctor and they will treat you and give you medicine for free, you won’t have to pay $10,000 a year for health insurance, and then more when you actually need healthcare, and you won’t have to fill out any complicated forms”. And everybody knows someone who has been fucked by medical debt or forgone medical care because they couldn’t afford it or put it off to another year because they didn’t meet that year’s deductible.
They understand “free child care” or “monthly check for $500 per child”, but “tax credits based on eligibility” and most voters will assume it won’t help them, but they will be paying for someone “undeserving”.
I have to respectfully disagree, if you took all Obama’s 2008 policies and replaced Obama with someone with none of Obama’s stage presence, charisma, and skills as an orator, they would have lost.
I think you way overestimate how class conscious the US population is. Even the people with some class consciousness go picking the wrong fights anyway.
Who, in our shitty 2 party system, had a better chance?
She lost to trump
Anyone else. Throw Bernie’s half animated corpse up there as the candidate. Congrats he would’ve won. Because he wasnt a cop trying to get elected to the anticop party, nor far right economically trying to get elected to the center right party.
The fact you’re reduced her to a cop is showing you’re headfirst in the koolaid
She was literally responsible for police reform. You know, shit like making them wear body cams and undergo training to recognise bias, as well as community programs to get people back into the community as opposed to branded criminals for life. You know, the shit you want to happen. And all that for one state - one of your most progressive.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/kamala-harris-police-biden-vp-pick-california-senate-a9662801.html
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/12/kamala-was-a-cop-black-people-knew-it-first/
https://www.c-span.org/program/campaign-2016/new-york-delegation-breakfast/450152
At 00:32:19 her speech begins, which has (via the transcript):
Bernie’s name wasn’t on my ballot so he couldn’t have been a viable opponent. The only person on the ballot with any chance of beating Trump was Harris.
Bear in mind, I think the Dems could have run a much a stronger ticket with someone other than Harris but that doesn’t change the fact that she was the only viable competition in the election that actually happened.
Cool, you know you can write in the candidate, right?
In any case if dems wanted to be elected, they could try not being republican. Even in the face of fascism no self respecting person would vote for a republican.
The key wordyou seems to be missing is “viable.”
Well Harris wasn’t a viable candidate, as proven by her ridiculous loss against one of the most hated men in history.
Same goes for Clinton. And Biden was polling worse than Harris before his handlers finally made him pull out.
So which neoliberal is a viable candidate again?
Are we just going to do the same thing in 2028, with, using your word, a nonviable candidate?
Probably. If we’re still doing elections that is.
You all seem to think I’m saying that Harris was a good candidate. My only point is that she was the ONLY other option we had on the ballot. That, in and of itself, is a massive problem.
The problem was she wasn’t a choice for a lot of people. That’s something you guys have consistently failed to understand.
For people that actually suffered under the Obama or Biden regime, Harris did not represent a greater future than Trump. If you are given a choice of either shooting yourself, being shit, or ignoring the entire thing while trying to to find a way to survive being shot; most people will choose the latter option, which is simply not voting.
Homelessness hit a record high under Biden, and only climbed throughout his term. Credit card debt soared, yet consumer spending on nonessentials went down. People aren’t worried about the status quo or the collapse of the US, people were worried about tomorrow.
When you have that situation, they don’t give a fuck about a status quo candidate lying to their face about how great the economy is and how much nothing different they’ll be doing.
Their choice was not Harris or trump, their choice was vote or not vote. And given their experience during Biden’s term, they chose to not vote.
Would love to have whatever drugs you need to think writing someone in would have actually been a good idea
It had a better chance than a rightwing cop trying to get elected to the dem party, or an even more senile Biden.
You can’t run incredibly right wing candidates and expect anyone to vote for them, unless you’re running them in the furthest right party.
Bernie, AOC, Andrew Yang off the top of my head
Which of those 3 were nominated?
I’m not saying they wouldn’t have been better options. They simply weren’t options.
Gee I wonder why they werent options!
Bernie is too old, didn’t want to run. AOC was too young until less than a month before the general election, didn’t want to run. Andrew Yang is actually kind of a weirdo in the bad take a look closer (check out the description of his Forward Party).
Anybody else?
So you asked for who is better, but since you dont like any of them, they wont do. Rocket dragon is the decider of all things politicians guys.
You should have just said so in the first place and we coulda saved time.
I love Bernie and AOC both, but what’s your plan, hold a gun to their head and force them to run?
Or Pelosi and co can just tell literally anyone “Hey, our polls have Biden at 5% chance, and Kamala couldn’t even win her own state in the primary. Your policies poll better than anyone else in congress, if you don’t run, Trump will win.”
But it would have been easier just to tell Kamala “Hey, these are the policies that will give you the best turnout, free healthcare, free college, rent control/lower housing costs, tax cuts for the workers, increased taxes on billionaires.” and tell Biden “Here’s a stack of executive orders, they directly improve the conditions of the people we need to vote for us. The SCOTUS will complain, laugh at them. Also stop sending weapons to Israel you fucking monster”
People don’t vote on policies. Do you think Trump won because everyone loved his concepts of a plan?
People vote on vibes. Right wingers vote on the vibes of how much they can own liberals and the left. Liberals vote to protect themselves from the right. Leftists vote… just kidding leftists don’t vote, they let everyone know how pure and clean their hands are and how voting doesn’t work anyway, and then wonder why they don’t get representation.
You only believe that because the democrats almost exclusively run on the most compromised versions of policies that 9/10 people assume won’t help them. Look at social democracies, and how touching people’s healthcare is so toxic even conservatives run on bolstering healthcare. Obama won by a huge margin in 2008 because people thought they’d get free healthcare. Then they got means-tested subsidies for health insurance through an employer they could buy on a marketplace.
Voters understand “You will go to a doctor and they will treat you and give you medicine for free, you won’t have to pay $10,000 a year for health insurance, and then more when you actually need healthcare, and you won’t have to fill out any complicated forms”. And everybody knows someone who has been fucked by medical debt or forgone medical care because they couldn’t afford it or put it off to another year because they didn’t meet that year’s deductible.
They understand “free child care” or “monthly check for $500 per child”, but “tax credits based on eligibility” and most voters will assume it won’t help them, but they will be paying for someone “undeserving”.
I have to respectfully disagree, if you took all Obama’s 2008 policies and replaced Obama with someone with none of Obama’s stage presence, charisma, and skills as an orator, they would have lost.
I think you way overestimate how class conscious the US population is. Even the people with some class consciousness go picking the wrong fights anyway.
Lmao