This will not end well.
Just wanted to add that since ICE agents are just walking around doing shit without identifying themselves, anyone could walk into your house and rob/rape/murder you while claiming to be ICE if you resist.
Just want to make it clear that this opens up a whole lot of home invasions.
Exactly! have no warrants and don’t identify themselves; they don’t even have a uniform or badges. I do not care who they say they are, anyone can say they are ICE to get into my home. Do we honestly believe that people are not going to do that? Like be real, this is a flashing beacon of hope to criminals.
This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment, and the cure for it is the 2nd amendment.
Americans are pussies, they won’t stand up violently against this
America is one of the most violent countries on Earth. The Tipping Point is coming. It will get very violent before its over.
They’re happy killing each other for no reason. They’re wimps when it comes to standing up for their rights.
They won’t do shit and the country is going to fall.
Remember, none of this is restricted to actual gang members.
If they can deport anyone who is a member of a Venezuelan gang to a prison camp without trial then, oops, turns out everyone they don’t like is a member of a Venezuelan gang.
You can prove you’re not? Too bad. That would require a trial. You don’t get one of those, because we say you’re a member of a Venezuelan gang.
See how this works?
ICE are Trump’s sturmabteilung. If he’s allowed to get away with any of this, it will not be long before he starts turning them on anyone who openly disagrees with him.
Garcia was deported to El Salvador with alleged Venezuelan gang members, but he wasnt Venezuelan, so they just declared him MS-13 instead.
Facts dont matter, they’ll just create “alternative facts” that fit their narrative.
This.
Since Due Process is no longer a thing, anybody can immediately be called an enemy of the state.
For conservatives: say something bad about Biden? Guess what? MAGA is now a gang and you will end up in El Salvador. No proof needed.
All they have to do is follow the law. Law says they can call anyone a terrorist or national security threat and that removes people’s rights. This has been law for years. Now, Republicans are using it because they know they will not get in trouble.
You don’t have to be in a gang. They will say standing outside of a Home Depot is a lawful reason to send you to a South American gulag. Because Republicans will not get in trouble.
John Yoo’s legacy.
So I really dislike having guns in the home since I have young children. At this point I’m willing to consider it. I don’t have a room for a massive gun safe and nor do I know what gun to get for home defense. What resources are out there to help me find a starting point?
If you are uncertain what type of gun to get for home defense, id strongly recommend taking training courses before considering. They’ll help you get comfortable with one that works for you and your use cases.
General: https://theliberalgunclub.com/
Black resources: https://www.blackgirlsshoot.org/ https://naaga.co/
Lgbtq resources: https://www.pinkpistols.org/ https://www.blazingsword.org/
If you’re in a city/state without resources, connect with those websites. You might be able to start your own chapter.
What gun will provide home defense against an ICE SWAT team? Seems to me that a gun in this situation means someone you care about will get seriously injured or die. And/or go to jail for murder.
Makes me think investing in a Halon fire suppression system could be useful. Along with gas masks for everyone.
ICE would get a face full of lead from my home
Waiting for the first story of a shootout.
I already know which side I’m rooting for.
Remember when we were told that kids had to keep dying so we could be allowed to keep guns in our home in case the government decides to break down our doors one day??? Member that? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
No way, do you mean all that 2nd amendment talk was just marketing to sell more guns!?
Can you believe it! Who knew?
Well that’ll be interesting in all of those stand your ground states.
…except they out number you with gun, too
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That’s if they let you live long enough to make it to trial, nevermind afterward. 😶
Sounds like a judge who also needs to be shot
They WANT trouble, in as many ways as possible. That will allow him to justify imposing Martial Law, and suspend elections.
He has a razor thin majority in Congress, with the 2016 midtetm election ahead (which is shaping up to be a bloodbath), and he can’t afford to lose either chamber, which would give Dems control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers.
He wants violence, and he will be instigating it in as many ways as possible.
I’ve resisted, all this time, getting a gun because I have a history of depression and I didn’t want one in the house
however, given I have the blessing of castle doctrine in my state I’m really starting to think getting one might be the smarter decision. at least I might get to go out on my own terms.
You have to weigh the likelihood of a warrantless raid versus another bout of heavy depression.
I’m in the middle of a bout of heavy depression right now, I just want to live long enough to outlive my close family, namely my parents. They shouldn’t have to sit through my funeral.
Being gay and neurodivergent, though, I don’t think I have that long in this country. And I have no method to escape.
Suicide ain’t it, neighbor. Sincerely. Not even suicide by cop.
If you need to talk, I’m here. Feel free to DM or reply here, I’m around. 🤘🏼
Don’t kill yourself that’s just giving them what they want. Existence is resistance.
sorry but if the choice is between “going quietly with the men from the government” for being an undesirable, and just ending it there and then, I’m choosing the gun. I’ve suffered enough where I am.
Who said anything about going quietly. Rage, rage.
Luckily, as a firearm owner the choice then becomes “go quietly with the men who claim to be from the government”, or to cancel the home invaders’ life subscription. Especially in a castle doctrine state. If they can’t or won’t show identification then you have carte blanche to start blasting. Not only that but doing so is a morally good act.
Hey. One of my best friends was gay and had depression. He came from a very religious family and struggled with both of these things his entire life. Then he got sick and didn’t seek treatment for a medical issue that was curable but fatal if untreated. He died. I think he chose not to seek treatment because it was an out that he didn’t have to affirmatively choose.
The world is a worse place without him. It’s been 3 years and I still think about him almost every day. Please find a better solution.
I hope you manage to survive this, i really do, but if you finally decide you cant handle it any longer, use it to strike back decisively in a focused way that protects the innocent and hurts the Nazis.
I’m so sorry that i have to write that. I am also coming to grips that at my age, i am realizing that my story may have a twist ending that i never suspected. If anything happens to my son (also part of vulnerable communities), i will become a very dangerous person.
It varies state by state, and sometimes by municipality.
“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
Here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
It’s almost as if the War on Drugs was being used as a pretense to up state power for years, and now we have police-military kitted out and trained (Cop City) to slaughter protesters in the street.
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Yup. If it’s my house, it falls under #2, my neighbors house would fall under #1.
1 would absolutely apply. I believe this to be a felony, and they’re sure as hell going to use force if they need to. 3 probably also applies to many people. They’d believe they would be willing to use deadly force, especially if they show up with weapons drawn.
If LEOs can say they believe they were in danger when someone isn’t nice enough to them or whatever, surely when armed men come to your door, without a warrant, and force entry, that’s enough to believe they’re going to use deadly force.
Exactly my thought. If they try to enter without a warrant then we have the right to protect ourselves, right? If the “2A” people have ever cared about logical consistency (which I won’t accuse them of) this is where it applies more than almost any other case.
We’d all wish that. But, unfortunately, that’s not the case with US citizens. After all, they could get rid of him in some way or another (see JFK).
Where? Down at the Quik-E Mart again?
The fuck they can.
2a
This is precisely what the Founding Fathers intended it be used for.
Today sounds like a great day for Congress to abolish ICE.
This is going to go over great in a country that prides itself on unrestricted firearms for home and personal protection 🫣
Those folks will bend over the hardest
They would love nothing more than a few ice agents getting shot to justify an even harsher show of force in the future
More lead flies.
Yep
👌 perfect
Goddamn if this isn’t some of the best acting out there. The subtle change in Christoph’s smile and eyes is top notch.
