A former Pentagon contractor works with secretive sections of US special forces, then ups and moves to Russia. He gets married, radicalizes and starts popping up on Telegram channels as the leader of a neo-Nazi terrorist group recruiting Americans.
Why are questions like this always asked by the media ten years after everyone already knows it’s happening?
Because they’re in on it.
Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.
Leave “Our” out of sentence to make it more accurate.
More globally accurate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
It’s fully documented.
They’re also for sale. Don’t forget, they will promote whatever bullshit they are paid to say. No matter how stupid or dangerous.
Tim Pool has entered the room.
Wearing a beanie because he’s insecure about balding.
Some of us baldies wear beanies to keep our heads warm.
Anyway now that I’ve explained how my domestic political opposition are easily manipulated, let me explain to you how everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.
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✅ Strawman of what I said.
✅ Posted two days after my comment, yet immediately received an upvote.Learn what a strawman is you fucking baby. It doesn’t mean when someone makes fun of what you say.
And equally you fucking baby: posts stay on ‘active’ for days on this site. Act like you’ve been here.
This isn’t for AntiOutsideAktion. This is for anyone else who stumbles on this thread, so you can be absolutely clear on what happened.
- I responded to the question posed in the headline as follows: “Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.”
My comment was accurate. Despite years of concerted effort by Russia’s defenders and proxies, their troll army is well-documented, and their targeting of right-wing idiots in the United States is equally well-documented. It happened. It’s happening now. - In response, AntiOutsideAktion said this: “Anyway now that I’ve explained how my domestic political opposition are easily manipulated, let me explain to you how everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.”
That is a disingenuous and obvious strawman of what I said. I never claimed “everything bad that’s ever happened is the fault of the outside enemy.” The fact that our right-wing dipshits are so easily led astray is entirely on them. - So I called him out on that.
The end. That’s what happened. And that’s why I’m not even remotely interested in his takes on anything else, and he’s going on my otherwise-mostly-empty block list after I post this comment.
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- I responded to the question posed in the headline as follows: “Yes. They have been for years now. Our far-right are a bunch of fucking idiot assholes, and easily manipulated.”
Wait that’s a question? Of course they are doing that.
Russia is also behind man of the far-right parties in europe, like the AfD in germany and the GRN in france. It’s old news at this point honestly.
Russia is also behind Trump and his cronies, and noone can convince me otherwise. They may not have a fearsome military (except for the canned sunshine), but they’re very adept at undermining democracies from within. Because our Achilles heel is stupid people.
We really need to take an offensive against Russia. Information warfare is still warfare, and Russia has been attacking us for years.
You can’t take an offensive against the information war because that would quickly result in authoritarian practices where certain kinds of information are suppressed - you do not want to go there at all.
Social media killed media literacy, that’s the issue. We need to rebuild that.
Oh, I meant a more literal offensive. Blue-and-yellow boots in Moscow.
Hard to attack an atomic super power
Been obvious to everyone not cashing checks for a while.
Or the crazy, Faux News brain rotted people. Or the angry rednecks who don’t care, they’re just happy they can be openly hateful.
Give them a face to rest their boots on, and they’ll cheerfully lick the boots of their rulers.
Well, yes…and it’s been quite obvious for some time now.
I can’t have been the only person who noticed the weird sudden pattern of American Neo-Nazis with hot Russian wives a decade ago.
Foundations of Geopolitics was published in 1997 by Aleksandr Dugin. It outlines how Russia can become the world’s dominant superpower without warfare. It is taught in Russia’s military officers school, Putin keeps a copy in his office, and it is Russia’s geopolitical playbook. Dugin is still closely involved with Putin and Russian intelligence, and so was his daughter, who was murdered in a car bombing that was likely meant for him.
Under the section for the United States, it says:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke “Afro-American racists” to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics”.
I’ve always been curious about the sentence ”Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada." What exactly do they mean by “special services?” Clearly they had something already staged in America, most likely human assets. A few years ago they discovered a cell of Russian intelligence moles, and shipped them back. Now we see that they infiltrated white supremacist groups as well, which would fit the description in the book.
And of course our president has ties to Russia going back to Soviet era 1987, and even has a code name. His treason is well-established. He is likely one of the “special services” referred to.
Here’s a photo of dugin realizing he forgot to add a chapter in his book about geopolitics. I’ll never tire of it.
He was supposed to be in that car with his daughter, but he went back in to retrieve an umbrella, when it blew up.
I hadn’t seen that photo before, thanks.
They’re almost certainly stirring the pot, but the pot was there regardless.
Captain Obvious and his arch rival, Captain Oblivious
We sure this isn’t Captain Hindsight in disguise?
One of the defining characteristics of this era is the legacy media from time to time timidly noting the possibility of something that’s been recognized as at least nearly certain down here in the trenches for months or even years.
Of course Russia is co-opting far right groups to attack western democracies. Any honest person who’s been paying attention should’ve figured that out by now - it’s not like they’ve been subtle about it or anything. And it’s been commonly recognized for months now (and less commonly asserted for years).
But at this late date, along comes the Guardian, hesitantly saying, "Um… well… you know… it might just barely be sort of possible that maybe…
It literally led to dozens of convictions in the Meuller Investigation. How anybody can be blindsided by it is beyond me.
Putin does everything to destabilize the west this way. It is cheaper for him to find idiots to do his dirty work in the west than to attack us.
Yep, and they promote and amplify the most extreme viewpoints on opposite sides of issues to get us fighting against each other. They didn’t create the fracture points but they’re very happy to exploit them.
Putin blames the West for the collapse of his beloved USSR. His primary motivator is to inflict the same punishment in any Western country
Well the west did send Yeltsin to kill gorbatchev’s liberal USSR. How is this different?
Well, not send, per se, he was already there, he just happened to be the man to actually push the reforms through so he was kept.
Ah! I forgot this macro was actually Nicholas Cage!
That’s an easy one: Yes.
Russian PSYOP against the US has always been going on… However since Obama won … The GOP is allowing it to flourish…
Citizens United happened. Then 2 cycles of DC politics was enough to get a money pipeline established.
I don’t think calling these people spies is the right term anymore, considering who is in the White House right now, and I don’t mean Trump.
The Heritage Foundation began influencing U.S. policy starting in the early 80s, which is also around the time political divisions in America started becoming more polarized as standard of living for the middle class began to worsen.
The polarization that began in the 80s has gotten more and more extreme, to the point that now far-right groups are an important part of the current President’s voter base. When you look at the destruction and dismantling of the government currently underway by the administration, you have to understand, this is really not an attack on the left/DEI. Their strategy first began decades ago, long before anybody heard of DEI. First it was “multiculturalism,” then it was “political correctness,” then “wokeness,” and now the scapegoat is “DEI.”
It’s an attack on democracy and individual freedom by people in power with a lot of money, but not a lot of numbers, unless they get a group of people that are divided to fight for them, and keep them divided from “others.” Importantly, it’s actually very similar to the strategy used by oligarchs in Russia. Russian Nationalists are Putin’s biggest supporters, but instead of “DEI,” the enemy to Russian Nationalists has long been the influence of Western democracy.
Funny thing is, some of the earliest examples of Russia embracing capitalism after the collapse of the Soviet Union and creating the current government, can be traced to the Heritage Foundation. The first of its kind go between for U.S. and Russia businesses was created by a former Heritage Foundation member, Robert Krieble.
Fellow Heritage Foundation member, Thomas Roe, is quoted as telling Krieble during the mid-1980s, “You capture the Soviet Union, I’m going to capture the States.”
According to a 1991 Washington Post article covering a celebration of the official establishment of this business, Russia House, Krieble snuck electronic equipment to dissidents prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The corporation is also privately funded. Officers of its board are Moscow Mayor Gavril Popov; Paul Craig Roberts of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a former treasury assistant secretary; and Dean Booth, an Atlanta lawyer. Businessman Robert Krieble, who donated fax machines, computers and copiers to dissidents in the Soviet Union when “they were illegal,” Lozansky said, is one of the financial supporters.
The original founder of the Heritage Foundation was also present at the gathering covered by the Post article.
At the inauguration of Russia House, furnished only with a lectern and radio and television microphones for the ceremony, Paul Weyrich, head of a group called Free Congress, said, “When we first went to the Soviet Union we were considered foolish. But democracy is real. The change is real.”
Meanwhile, in the U.S., Roe then went on to create the State Policy Network (SPN), a network of Heritage Foundation affiliate think tanks across all 50 states, to promote Heritage Foundation policy at the state level, but disguise the think tanks as “small government” and “free market” focused.
Now, Putin actually has his own similar think tank for freedom and democracy in Germany While Russian oligarchs have become majority shareholders in Louisiana oil companies, and made donations to House Speaker Mike Johnson’s campaign.
It would seem more likely, that rather than Russia playing the long game, Russia joined the Heritage Foundation’s long game decades ago, and that modern day Russia under Putin, may actually reflect the Heritage Foundation’s test run for the creation of a privatized corporate government.
Speaking through a translator, the Post article also provides an interesting quote from the Mayor of Moscow:
“Russia House is not financed by governments but by private people,” Mayor Popov said. “Aid in the form of commercial goods and food should not be the main effort. Aid would be over soon, and all would be as before. We need a free-market economy – but we don’t have people who can run a free market,” he said, speaking through a translator. “I told {Treasury} Secretary {Nicholas} Brady that many Americans will sign treaties with ministers – who then will disappear. Trade should be with private individuals and businesses.”
For the umpteenth time, it turns out fascism is the frontier coming home.
They’re also coopting far left groups to further their goals as well. Lets not kid ourselves.
Where do you think all the ‘don’t vote because X’ reasons suddenly came up a few months before the election in leftist circles?
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Yeah I don’t think anyone would disagree with any of that. The problem was the hyperpartisan one-sided coverage. It in itself was often foreign opposition propaganda. It was so heavy and thick. Taking all the air out of every room. Just focusing on how bad Biden and Harris were. Putting the whole burden of the problem on their shoulders. So much so. That many people thought that Trump would be better because of the lack of coverage. Biden and Harris were not my candidates either. As an Anarchist I held my nose and voted for simply because of self harm prevention. But I also knew enough not to participate in amplifying the propaganda as well as pushing back against it.
Never let it be said that the left isn’t manipulable or even as easily manipulable. We are our own worst enemy. Plenty still can’t acknowledge their role in helping to amplify that message for the fascists gain. We do it to ourselves every time. We’re naturally at a disadvantage on messaging. Simply because all mass media these days is outright fascist owned. But on top of that the left simply cannot message or Focus. Though that at least is not anything new.
The left cannot message, because every liberal has their own individual hierarchy of what the top policy issue should be.
And the left cannot accept that peoples’ priorities are not the same.
Sure, the Israel stuff is awful. Do you see these people complaining about Myanmar, or El Salvador, or any of the other human crisis areas in the world? No. They aren’t. They’re complaining about the hot topic item and being slacktivists online, then convincing themselves that making a statement by not participating will some how get people to pay attention to them.
I’ve seen it since the 2000’s, and frankly, I’m fucking sick and tired of terminally online liberalism. It does nothing but complain and then offers no solutions to actually get anything done.
‘We want ranked choice, we want better healthcare, we want better education’ blah blah blah then they sit at home and let a Nazi win. Twice.
Like, have fun riding your moral high horse down to the cattle cars. I hope it was worth it because the democrats didn’t prioritize giving queer pets more representation at shelters or some shit.
While I would hesitate to frame it as liberals. Because as an anarchist let me tell you we all have different priorities. It’s a problem of ideology over achievability. Compounded by terminally online Trend chasing. Running after individual issues that are symptoms. But not the root of the problem.
Yeah I’d agree to all of that.
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I also voted Kamala and tbh it made me extremely uncomfortable. I knew Kamala wouldn’t be a good president, I knew she would send more money to genocide, I knew she would do very little (if anything) to stop states from discriminating, and I knew her economic plan would likley make everything worse. Because in every single aspect she was and is a horrible candidate who objectively would not do well at anything, however the standard for American politicans is in hell so shes not even the worst. Im just sad, we had Obama who wasnt really progressive but he chose Biden as his VP to appeal to the establishment, then Biden became president and chose Kamala who is was significantly less progressive then him, then we became expected to vote Kamala which would have been a continuation of the last two dem presidents but even less progressive. But im not just looking at the past, im looking at the future and im scared. What happens if the Dems choose some candidate like Shapiro, Fetterman, or Newsom? What if the Democrats rig their primaries as theyve been known to do or what if they dont hold one at all?
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I said someone like him, not nessesarily him
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Hes not particularly unique, so basically any other blue dog Democrat.
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‘Rigging the primaries’ as in picking the person who had the most votes?
Cmon man. Did the dems play politics? Sure they did. Do you honestly expect people who are part of an established party to not rally around a candidate that has been a steadfast loyalist in the party for decades, who championed the original version of public healthcare, and instead, rally around a dude who says all the right things but can’t legislate for anything?
This is letting perfect be the enemy of good.
That’s what the whole propaganda strategy was: demand perfection from the Democrats, and give the message that if they fall short of perfection, don’t vote. And never mention that the only alternative that could win the election is MAGA.
The false equivalence argument that “they’re both the same” is another tactic to suppress the non-fascist vote.
Yep. You literally see it all over the place.
‘I personally did not get 100% of what I wanted including free puppies for everyone, so I’m never voting again.’
Sweet, so now you get 0% of what you want, instead of 50% of what you wanted. Congrats. Have fun with that sense of moral superiority.
Perfect? This is sacrificing bearly good enough for slightly better than the other guy. In addition even politicans who used to advocate for public services are starting to abandon that as the Democrats take a hard shift right. Democrats have proven that they are either unwilling and/or unable to do what is nessesary for the workers. Its too late to appease the masses with better healthcare and a $15 minimum wage, the corruption in the system has been exposed and change is desperately needed. We need fundamental economic reform, the tax code needs to be replaced, foreign policy needs to be restructured, infrastructure needs to be not only fixed but expanded, and gun laws need to be changed. These are core changes that Democrats have promised for decades yet continue to fail to provide, now its too late. The Democrats sat around with ideas of infinite economic growth and unlimited power, now their hubris will be their downfall.
Sweet. Democrats had plans for a lot of those things, and you guys stayed home and now we have a Nazi in the white house.
Did you not read what I said? I voted Kamala but I am fed up and done with this nonsense. People voted for Obama to do this, he didnt. People voted for Biden to do this, he didnt. Now people like me are expected that things will magically change as the Democrats openly abandon their promises to appeal to the mythical moderate Republican.
Obama had an entire republican party and Joe Libermann stopping medicare for all. Blame Joe Liebermann, not the guy who tried to get it done.
Biden had one of the thinnest congresses in history, yet his ledger is still full of progressive asks. That apparently isn’t good enough, because he didn’t get you 100% of what you wanted.
This is the entire problem. You expect 100% of what you demand, and when you don’t get it, you’re ‘done’ and don’t want to participate anymore.
Thank you for highlighting this for me.
Have you considered “not voting for whoever is served to you is treason” messaging could also be a psyop to depress voter turn out by making people disgusted with politics in general?
