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    If you can’t stop thinking about the worst possible outcome, try imagining the opposite. A nice and comfortable situation that makes you happy. To take up space in your thoughts and orient you towards more pleasant emotions

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        Outcomes are rarely determined by your own thoughts about the situation.

        It’s like being anxious about driving because you’re worried someone is going to hit you. As long as you’re being safe and careful, being an anxious mess isn’t going to make you any safer and it can even make things worse.

        Of course I’m not trying to say “just stop being anxious!” but you have to understand that only ever thinking about the worst case scenario will hinder far more progress than it will help.

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          Yeah, it’s a matter of possibilities, and yeah anxiety doesn’t help. As a cybersec specialist worst case scenario always have to be taken into consideration under the premise of realistic outputs. You have always be ready for the worse, do damage control and after the possible disgrace you have new lessons learned. “Control what you can, prepare for the worst, and move forward despite the risk.”

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        It’s not about changing the outcome, it’s about stopping anxiety. This advice was given to me for use when feeling anxiety that is debilitating about a potential worst-case scenario which is usually unrealistic

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    a therapist I had helped me rethink problems in terms of pragmatically adjusting my environment or conditions to nudge my behaviors rather than relying on willpower or behavioral changes that were slow or simply not happening

    a small example was moving my computer out of my bedroom and developing a night-time routine that included reading a book before bed to help reduce compulsive computer use

    realizing I am somewhat deterministic in my behavior, and my behavior is caused by conditions I have some influence over, was a helpful insight and got me past just constantly failing to live up to my expectations for myself and never moving past that - I can treat my psychological problems like puzzles to solve

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      realizing I am somewhat deterministic in my behavior

      So you are like this:

      Sorry, I know that the joke is terrible, but I had to bring it.

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      Can confirm - switching my approach to changing my conditioning rather than directly trying to change my behaviors through sheer will, I’ve actually managed to make some progress for the first time in what feels like years. Take it slow, step by step - you don’t have to change everything about your environemnt all at once - it might even be counterproductive. And in a few months you start to notice an accumulation of changes in your behavior.

      I also kinda feel this corraborates my suspicion that conciousness is not as conciouss as we like to give it (ourselves, really) credit.

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      I had to self-teach myself that once I hit adulthood. Things like “if left to pay a bill at some specified time (not immediately), I will fail. So all bills go on autopay.” It’s burned me a few times, but not nearly as often as constantly being burned with late fees and such.

      Also, when my wife met me, she met someone who led a Spartan existence, with all my no-furniture belongings fitting in a piece of luggage. She thought it was preference, and completely blew off me constantly complaining about clutter and mess in the house. Once I explained (ten years in) that I can’t have many things without it becoming a huge unmitigated mess (like having “pathways” through the clutter), so having a whole lot of stuff is shitting on my coping mechanisms and stressing me out, making me constantly uncomfortable in my own home. She understood, and stopped giving me shit for it… not that it changed the clutter, but at least when i complain I don’t get hand-waved, I get an apology. Which is something, I guess (until I snap and the dumpster and donation center get a ton of bags).

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    That thing you like doing that makes you feel better? Stop it.

    Instead do this thing that is tedious/boring that you never look forward to.

    Eventually you will fool yourself into enjoying this boring/tedious task and trick your brain into releasing dopamine when you perform it.

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      This, big time.

      One thing that helped me: I went out and found a list online of emotional descriptor words and, while journaling, I’d start my entries listing the emotions I felt in the moment and elaborate on them individually.

      I struggle hard to verbalize my thoughts in general, but emotions (especially strong & conflicted ones) can be overwhelming to verbalize!

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        That sounds very helpful. I’ve found charts like these helpful for drilling down from a general feeling to something more specific.

        I especially like this one because it associates them with how the body feels.

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          Oh wow this is amazing! I especially like that you can work both ways, starting with something broad and narrowing down or vice versa. Thanks for these!!

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    I was still a kid. At my first session I opened up hard. I spoke nonstop for the whole hour.

    When I was walking out I asked them “now what?” And they replied “Now it’s a long battle”.

    That stuck with me.

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        Oof. Hard to say. I did it for so long and so early in life that I’m not even sure what would have happened had I not done it.

        I don’t like mental meds though. And I don’t think any of them ever helped me. They have always either made me extremely risky behavior prone or just numb where the days blend together and months go by in the blink of an eye.

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    Pain is relative. Yes other people may have it worse than you. The worst pain you’ve felt in your life is still the worst, for you. So don’t write it off so easily.

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      Someone, not a therapist, told me pain isn’t a competition. I don’t have to wait for my pain to be worse than the pain of the people around me before I go get help for myself.

      In this case, I had physical pain I put off getting checked because it wasn’t worse than what why partner deals with daily. Turned out I needed antibiotics for a bad infection.

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      More generally, feelings do not care about facts. We must accept how we feel, even if those feelings don’t “make sense”. Trying to reason with feelings is a fools errand.

      That doesn’t mean we can’t change how we feel. It just doesn’t happen by denying reality.

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    It’s ok to look back at a painful event and have empathy for that younger person, then you can either stay there or accept any wisdom to be learned and write the next chapter but you can’t live in both places at once.

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    • “You don’t have to be mad at yourself for that any more”

    • “What good does worrying about that part of your past do your current self?”

    • “Come on, now. You know that’s not true”

    • "Don’t reply to messages from your ex’

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        Therapy isn’t a single sentence, and we talked over these things for weeks for me to get to this place. It also had to come from me, one thing I talked about is that dwelling on misery/mistakes is, for me anyway, a guilty pleasure and a little addictive, so I had to be truly sick of living that way and genuinely want the change in my heart of hearts.

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      “You don’t have to be mad at yourself for that any more”

      “What good does worrying about that part of your past do your current self?”

      For these ones I don’t really have control over that. My brain gets itself all worked up before I have any say in the matter.

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        These are some of the most common problems people seek therapy for, and there are several methods therapists teach to address these, such as meditation and mindfulness. It takes practice, but they have a lot of potential to help with intrusive, snowballing thoughts. You can practice anytime and mostly anywhere, but doing it is the hard part.

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          One common misconception about meditation is that meditation is and end goal, not a practice. That to meditate is to sit down and have your brain be quiet, and if you can’t do that, your session was a failure.

          But that’s like saying weight lifting is about deadlifting your body weight, and any session you don’t manage do that was a failure. That is something you might be able to do after years of training. But you start with the smaller weights, learning form and technique, setting reasonable goals, and find a practice that you can make a habit out of. Because a five minute walk every day beats a day at the gym/retreat once a year.

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            I agree 100%. It’s a shame, because pretty much everyone would benefit from just trying to meditate once in a while.

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          Do you happen to have a good source for learning these? I’ve looked into it in the past but everything I find about meditation and mindfulness is riddled with nonsense that doesn’t make any sense to me.

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            Just a simple example I googled:

            • Sit in a quiet, comfortable place.
            • Set a short time limit if you’re a beginner (e.g., 5–10 minutes).
            • Focus on your breath and notice bodily sensations.
            • Gently return your focus to your breath when distractions occur.

            With body sensations, you can focus on the taste in your mouth for a minute, then switch to sounds you hear, how your fingertips feel etc. I usually close my eyes to better focus on each sensation. Just relax and gently observe what you experience right now.

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    I won at therapy a few months ago. My doctor threw up his hands and went “I don’t know what to tell you. Your situation is so fucked up that I can’t even offer advice. Just keep on keeping on, I guess.” And that actually made me feel better.

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    Mine just said, “You’re right, but thinking about it isn’t helping.”

    I countered with, “People not thinking about it is why we’re here.”

    They replied with, “Yeah, probably.”

    “So what do I do?”

    “What can one man do?”

    “That’s what I’m paying you for. What can I do?”

    “🤷‍♂️ Maybe stop listening to Democrats.”

    Fucking hate Kentucky.

    Also, I filed a complaint and didn’t go back; their practice is now closed, but I don’t know if it’s just because they moved to a different location or if they genuinely had to stop practicing. Haven’t really thought about it much.

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      good guy therapist: gives you some good to do in the world by being shitty so you can report them

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      Circle of influence vs circle of concern. The answer still lies within you to be able to calibrate your mind to be able to live through a shit situation, and do what you feel able to improve it.

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      Getting more involved with community movements has helped me in this respect 100x more than my therapist did.

      It’s not their fault, there’s not that much they could’ve done for me anyway and they were very much on the same “were fucked this is all hopeless” boat as me.

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        It’s almost like the entire thing is some sort of scam to trick us into thinking that feelings of injustice is a sickness or something. Like someone somewhere would rather us just be okay with bad things happening around us to the point where they’d spend a significant amount of effort pushing pharmaceuticals and illicit substances to replace the chemicals we produce naturally when things are going well.

        I know that sounds crazy, but that’s just how it seems sometimes. It’s really weird.

        I mean, it’s not like they’re keeping track of people who have these disorders or anything.

        LOOKS AT U.S. GOVERNMENT

        I mean, why would they do that?

        LOOKS AT ALCATRAZ

        I’m sure it’s fine, haha

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    It’s minimal how you can change other people. But you can change your own environment, actions and worldview. Even though it might take a long time for your body, nervous system and brain to change and adapt.

    Even if your parents want to change themselves for the benefit of your health, it might not be possible for them. But you might be able to help them by changing yourself, and then indirectly change their environment.

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    Your life is the way it is because you’ve decided that it’s more comfortable to leave it that way than to change it.

    Srsly years and years of therapy this was the only thing that did anything for me

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      Amen. I said screw it, saved money and moved to Korea. Happiest 3 years of my life.

      (It was uncomfortable as crap and I missed a lot of things back home - funerals, weddings, friends growing older and moving away… But no regret. Gotta live life)

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    What issues are you dealing with (if you feel like sharing)? I can speak from my experience being in therapy for AuADHD, anxiety, depression, childhood traumas, and a few other things.

    ETA: Some generic things from my therapist that will help most people:

    • Drink enough water. This alone can have a significant impact.
    • Try to do regular physical activity that you enjoy, if possible. Even if you don’t feel like it.
    • Check your posture. If you find yourself hunching, try fixing that.
    • Do things that you know that you enjoy when you are not depressed, when you are depressed. Our brains are weird and “fake it 'til you make it” kinda works - by doing non-depressive things, you can trick your brain into being happier.
    • Try to engage socially, if you find yourself to be a hermit. Our brains are evolved to be social animals and isolation can be damaging.
    • If you are having trouble with the state of the world and things that you do not have control over, try engaging in things that you do have control over. This can be as simple as deep cleaning your sink or fixing a squeeky hinge. The amount of frustration caused by inability to impact important global happening is problematic for maintaining good mental health - our brains evolved in environments where life-threatening problems had immediate solutions but humans have built societies that don’t work that way.

    Important items

    • Be patient and kind to yourself. Especially your past self. We all did cringy things when young with brains not fully-developed and/or without the information that one has currently. If you have trouble doing so, try mentally taking a step back and pretending that you are dealing with a close friend who you care about deeply. Would you judge them and make them feel bad about their past mistakes? I hope not.
    • Concern and depression about the world at large is a very valid way to feel. It’s important, especially for those of us with mental health challenges, to take the airplane safety spiel “put your own mask on first before helping others” approach to rendering aid to others. If you are in or near crisis, you are not in a place to help others and need to focus on getting to stable ground yourself first. Needing to do this isn’t slacking off or “not doing your part”. Not everyone is equipped to be out marching all the time (some are not equipped for this at all). If someone offers unhelpful criticism of inability to engage physically due to mental or physical health, they are best ignored rather than responded to.
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      So many of these are so good, too many people don’t realize you can use your body to essentially “hack” your brain

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      Any advice on how to do work like other people? I am quick to grab my phone everytime I get even slightly stressed or don’t immediately know the answer to a problem.

      And it takes a lot of time for me to do something, it takes other very little (at least compared to me). Any advice on that?

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        Any advice on how to do work like other people? I am quick to grab my phone everytime I get even slightly stressed or don’t immediately know the answer to a problem.

        Assuming that you have ADHD based on your other comment, I do, actually, from my own struggles with AuADHD. First thing, is a bit of radical acceptance. If you are not neurotypical, especially if ADHD and/or ASD are involved, you’re not and never will be “like other people”. No pill known by medical science, no strategy, and no therapy is going to change that because it has to do with the brain developing differently in physical structural ways than a neurotypical brain and it’s likely genetic or epigenetic.

        That doesn’t mean that there’s no hope for functionality. Just that one must approach things differently and “calibrate” strategies to work with, rather than against their brain. Importantly, it also means that most “productivity hacks” and the like are utterly useless because they were developed with a neurotypical brain as the starting point.

        When it comes to doom scrolling and the like, when stressed, you’re actually at a good starting point in that you are aware of what is happening and at least somewhat aware of the cause. It might not seem apparent but, emotion is a significant component of ADHD. The biggest thing to know is that if you are fighting against a heightened emotional state that is causing you to be unable to start or continue something, it can be like quicksand. Constantly running into that emotional brick wall isn’t going to help.

        So, what do you do? Well, the same thing isn’t necessarily going to work for everyone. Something that I’ve been working on with my therapist is a strategy from Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) that is called the “STOP” skill (here’s a link). Essentially, it involves analyzing your state in the moment and mindfully deciding on a path forward.

        If, like many with ADHD including myself (this was a fun thing to become aware of well into adulthood), you are not super comfortable with your emotions and/or have alexithymia (trouble identifying, describing, and expressing ones own emotions), it could be useful to find an emotion wheel or feelings wheel. There are many versions out there. The important thing is to find one that makes sense to you - I like the ones that start more general in the center and get more specific in the edges. To use that type to figure out how you are feeling (or evaluate how you were feeling from memory), just start with your finger in the center and work your way outwards to the emotion that most fits. Practicing this when not in a moment of stress can help to make it easier when you need it.

        Other things that you can try are: practicing meditation so that it is easier to use when you need it and, if necessary, making your phone inaccessible, if you don’t need it. Overall, the goal is to improve coping strategies available to you in order to make it easier to use ones that serve you and your well-being.

        And it takes a lot of time for me to do something, it takes other very little (at least compared to me). Any advice on that?

        Again, assuming that you have ADHD here. The first thing that you’ll need to do is identify the causes. I, for example, often have a lot of trouble reading (even though I love it and was at a college level vocabulary in primary school). For me, this is caused entirely by ADHD, resulting in re-reading paragraphs and sometimes individual sentences multiple times before they “stick”. This caused a lot of problems for me when I was a child didn’t receive any treatment for it.

        Another common thing for ADHD is getting too granular and getting into analysis paralysis or stuck planning rather than doing. I find that setting limits on myself helps to reduce this. For example, if I need to write a program, I might get stuck evaluating what language to use, what libraries to use, which perform better under a given workload, etc. I need to set limits on how long I can take to research and try to make the scope of the work as small as possible to avoid either getting sick in perpetual planning or perpetual research.

        Ultimately, you need to evaluate why you are taking longer to do the tasks, which is likely not just one thing, and start chipping away at the things that are causing the time sink in manageable bites. Don’t try to fix everything at once!

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          If you are not neurotypical, especially if ADHD and/or ASD are involved, you’re not and never will be “like other people”.

          I try and remind myself about this. But It fucking sucks that some people diagnose themselves with ADHD, but have no problems doing stuff. Then I have to fight my mind and not compare myself to other people. Irl, I guess you just have to suck up, I remember my boss telling me I was a disappointment compared to my colleagues. People suck.

          Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT)

          Oh okay, I didn’t know about this. I will check this out in detail.

          If, like many with ADHD including myself (this was a fun thing to become aware of well into adulthood), you are not super comfortable with your emotions and/or have alexithymia (trouble identifying, describing, and expressing ones own emotions), it could be useful to find an emotion wheel or feelings wheel.

          I think I understand my feelings most of the time, but I do have difficulty controlling them.

          I have had trouble explaining why I can’t sometimes work for more than 15-20 minutes, but I’ve always attributed that to stress anxiety. Like my body and brain just stop and refuse to work all together untill I shake that feeling off.

          Thanks for the very comprehensive answer internet stranger, I appreciate it. The feeling wheel and DBT are something I’ll check out.

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            I think I understand my feelings most of the time

            I thought I did too but just had trouble communicating them. It turned out that I had overestimated my comprehension. Practice has helped me a lot.

            but I do have difficulty controlling them.

            Something that I’d caution is that framing altogether. Emotion is part of our experience as humans and an integral part of our consciousness. Controlling our emotions (with exception of those with conditions like Bipolar PD that need help with emotional stability) is not the best goal. Emotions are important, involuntary, and frequently serve evolutionary purposes.

            The more healthy way to look at it is addressing how we react when we experience our emotions. That is something that we do have control over. Those of us with ADHD often have trouble with emotional dysregulation (kind of a misnomer, IMO, as it is more about managing reaction to experienced emotions), which makes it more of a challenge. It is still possible though with practice (and accepting that failure is part of the process).

            Thanks for the very comprehensive answer internet stranger, I appreciate it.

            You’re very welcome. If I’ve helped yourself or anyone else in the slightest, I am delighted.

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        The issue here is that you’re doing everything you can to avoid negative emotions, like picking up your phone to distract yourself at the first sign of anxiety.

        Often some of the biggest things which hold us back in life come from avoiding discomfort. The most ‘motivated’ people you know aren’t doing all these things because it’s easy, they do them despite the difficulty and discomfort.

        The best thing you can do for yourself is learn how to sit with discomfort and act on what you want to do despite it. It’s not easy, but it’ll change a lot for you.

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        I have that problem and it’s still a problem for me but what I’ve found that sort of works is to keep a to do list of all the shit I need to do. Kind of like a bulet journal but less complicated. If someone asks me to do something then instead of immediately jumping on it (unless it’s an emergency) I put it on the list. Then when I am working on something and it stresses me out to the point I am reaching for my phone I move to a different item on the list instead (sometimes). When I finish something or review the list and see a bunch of things crossed off it also gives me a little mood bump. Also keeping my phone in my bag instead of within reach and just listening to podcasts or whatever on my wireless buds helps.

        None of this is a perfect solution but it did help a bit. Usually if I can get myself in a groove I can power through several items and make up the time I lost dicking around so having a list ready is handy for that as well.

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          How do you manage between difficult and simple tasks? And Do you do the simple items first or the tough ones?

          I’ve found myself of two minds about this.

          Completing smaller simpler tasks feels fulfilling in that moment and helps boost productivity but doesn’t feel so good from a broader look back at them.

          Whereas finishing difficult tasks feels really good but they can sometimes keep going on and on and on and feel never ending. They might take up a whole day and in that I might miss the small tasks.

          Thanks for your reply.

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            I manage them mostly by timeline. At any given time I have 15-20 things going I need to get done so whatever is due next gets priority. Unless it’s something difficult and I’m having trouble getting my brain to go into gear I will switch tracks and do the next item down that I’m able to knock out quickly. I also try to break larger things into small tasks. So instead of “xxxx deployment”. It’s schedule XXXX planning meeting with customer, get quote, get PO, document site, and so on. With things getting added as they come up.

            I can’t really speak to the rest of your comment because nothing I do ever really gives me any kind of lasting good feeling, other than having it off by back if it had been stressing me out. Sometimes that is impetus enough to focus and get something done though.

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        Maybe this is an event of what happens if I don’t know? I understand that this wouldn’t be something you could cold turkey, but what I’m saying is what if I’m that scenario you start questioning “do I need to know?”. When you’re in a comfortable mind space, think about what you would have done ~15 years ago when there was no access to an unlimited amount of data?

        I’m definitely not a therapist so maybe this isn’t helpful at all but worth a shot.